Specially the parachute on their Jet!

On 7/16/18 2:16 PM, Sean Heskett wrote:
the parachute is a pretty good idea, it has definitely saved lives and driven sales for Cirrus since Textron (Cessna) just discontinued the TTx which was Cirrus' main competition.

as a pilot i have two problems with the parachute:
1.  cirrus came up with the idea in order for the FAA to certify the aircraft because it has unstable spin characteristics.
https://aviation.stackexchange.com/questions/22201/why-do-the-cirrus-sr-20-and-sr-22-have-the-caps-parachute-system

2.  my other beef with the parachute is that it has caused some pilots to have a false sense of security and not fly with enough altitude between them and the granite clouds below (mountains) and there has been a couple crashes in our area because of it.  you can't fix stupid.

having said that, i'd love to have a parachute in my airplane!!!

-sean

oh and for the original post, paint the box white and install fans!!!



On Mon, Jul 16, 2018 at 12:20 PM, Jason McKemie <[email protected] <mailto:[email protected]>> wrote:

    While we're going OT here, the Cirrus Airframe Parachute System
    seems like a good idea, in theory at least. What do you guys think
    of that setup?


    On Monday, July 16, 2018, Bill Prince <[email protected]
    <mailto:[email protected]>> wrote:

        The  Piaggio P.180 Avanti can do 400 knots for only $1.6 million.

        I've been in one. Nice bird.


        bp
        <part15sbs{at}gmail{dot}com>

        On 7/16/2018 9:07 AM, Chuck McCown wrote:
        If I ever buy another plane I want it pressurized, certified
        for flight in known ice and capable of doing 300 kts.
        *From:* Bill Prince
        *Sent:* Monday, July 16, 2018 10:03 AM
        *To:* [email protected]
        *Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] How to reliably cool a small enclosure
        in direct sunlight?

        I sold it a few years ago. After we moved up into the
        mountains, the round-trip time to the airport just made flying
        impractical (over an hour each way).

        Yes. Same kind of plane. However JD made a number of
        bone-headed decisions that made his demise all but a foregone
        conclusion. If we have a few minutes at the computer museum, I
        can cover some of the more major bad decisions that were made.
        Plus the fuel selector mechanism that had been installed on
        that particular airplane was kind of a kluge on top of a Rube
        Goldberg setup. Stupid. Stupid. Stupid.

        bp
        <part15sbs{at}gmail{dot}com>

        On 7/16/2018 8:57 AM, Chuck McCown wrote:
        Do you still have the plane?
        Is that what John Denver was flying on his final trip?
        *From:* Bill Prince
        *Sent:* Monday, July 16, 2018 9:44 AM
        *To:* [email protected]
        *Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] How to reliably cool a small enclosure
        in direct sunlight?

        When I was building the Long-EZ, there was a debate among
        fiberglass airplane builders about the tolerable temperatures
        for ambient-temp cured fiberglass/epoxy structures. The point
        being that too high heat would be "very bad" for a
        fiberglass/epoxy airplane.

        So Burt Rutan and his crew did a bunch of tests using various
        colors. What they found was that pure white had the lowest
        heat gain of any color. Black the worst. Silver was right up
        there with gray. Almost any tint had a significant heat gain
        over ambient.

        I painted my EZ pure white with no tints whatsoever. It did
        have blue/gold trim colors, but the trim was basically just
        accent stripes on the fuselage and winglets.

        bp
        <part15sbs{at}gmail{dot}com>

        On 7/16/2018 8:31 AM, Chuck McCown wrote:
        Foil or shiny silver stuff seems to draw more heat than
        black paint for some reason.
        I think it is black in the infra red spectrum.
        Just leave a chrome plated wrench out in the sun for a few
        hours.
        Black wrench will be much cooler.
        You can actually pick up the black wrench but you can get a
        blister from picking up and holding a chrome one.
        One of my kids still has a scar from the chrome tab of a car
        seat belt.
        We knew she hated to be put in the car seat, figured all the
        screaming was just the normal objections.
        *From:* Cameron Crum
        *Sent:* Monday, July 16, 2018 9:24 AM
        *To:* AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group
        *Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] How to reliably cool a small
        enclosure in direct sunlight?
        I wonder if the foil faced foam would work without having to
        paint and stucco.
        Cameron
        On Mon, Jul 16, 2018 at 10:07 AM, Chuck McCown
        <[email protected]> wrote:

            Doesn’t look like I emailed the test results to anyone.
            We started adding foam insulation with stucco and then
            white paint on the exterior of lots of stuff.
            An amazing combination.
            *From:* Chuck McCown
            *Sent:* Monday, July 16, 2018 9:00 AM
            *To:* AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group
            *Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] How to reliably cool a small
            enclosure in direct sunlight?
            Here is one snippit about exterior insulation:

                Infrared camera proved what I proved years ago. The
                exterior insulation
                does the trick.  A wall in shade is the same
                temperature (inside) as a wall
                in sun. Therefore, false roof does not decrease heat
                flux.  I spent one
                whole summer testing all these assertions. Multiple
                boxes with telemetry.
                Paint, sun shades, vents, etc etc. White paint and
                exterior insulation does
                the job. Nothing measurable came from adding a shade
                to that combination.

                But to prove it once again, I had Jeremy use the
                infrared camera to measure
                all the walls and ceiling in Ticaboo. Sunny walls
                were no warmer than those
                on the shade side.

            *From:* Lewis Bergman
            *Sent:* Monday, July 16, 2018 8:54 AM
            *To:* AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group
            *Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] How to reliably cool a small
            enclosure in direct sunlight?
            On peltier you also have to locate the power supply
            outside of the box. Or at least that is what I found.
            The heat load from the PS was always more than the
            peltier it powered could keep up with. Everything has a
            bit of inefficiency built in that shows up as heat.
            On Mon, Jul 16, 2018 at 9:52 AM Lewis Bergman
            <[email protected]> wrote:

                Are you saying white paint outperformed heat
                shields? That's awesome info. I always thought heart
                shields were the best.


                On Fri, Jul 13, 2018, 7:43 PM <[email protected]> wrote:

                    I did a bunch of trials one summer testing a
                    variety of methods including heat shields,
                    exterior insulation, interior insulation,
                    convection ventilation, forced ventilation,
                    peltier effect active cooling.
                    #1 by a long shot is painting the enclosure
                    bright white.
                    *From:* Bill Prince
                    *Sent:* Friday, July 13, 2018 6:37 PM
                    *To:* [email protected]
                    *Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] How to reliably cool a
                    small enclosure in direct sunlight?

                    1. Add a thermostatically controlled ventilation fan

                    2. Put a heat shield up on the south side of the
                    enclosure. This can be just a plate of aluminum,
                    painted white on the sun side, and mounted to
                    the enclosure with 1" standoffs

                    We have a site like yours, and just the fan
                    keeps the temperature below 120° F (49° C). I
                    think if we added the heat shield we could drop
                    it another 10° F.

                    bp
                    <part15sbs{at}gmail{dot}com>

                    On 7/13/2018 4:51 PM, Sterling Jacobson wrote:

                    I’ve got a few side of the house enclosures
                    exposed to direct sunlight part of the day.

                    Inside the electronics are about ready to melt.
                    Like 90C+ CPU temps.

                    These are about 3’ x 3’ x 12 deep or something
                    like that, so not a lot of room.

                    What are you guys using to keep these things
                    decently cool?




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