The big boys would probably get a look at Forest's books and say "We are not going to work that hard for that little money". I think Forest operates on a lot less than they would ever consider worthwhile. He has a great niche, but it is a niche.
On Mon, Sep 17, 2018 at 10:22 PM Steve Jones <[email protected]> wrote: > I wish powerinjectors had software select. Packetflux FTW. If the big dogs > ever found out about the little wisp gem called packetlux, we'd all be SOL. > Old Forrest would be a bazillionaire and forget about us plebs > > On Sep 17, 2018 10:12 PM, "Mathew Howard" <[email protected]> wrote: > > Packetflux power injectors. Feed them with a 24v and a 48v powers supply > (or use one or the other, and a DC-DC converter), and you can power > anything you want to. or there are lots of other ways to do it too... of > course you have to change jumpers (or switch to a different port) to go > between 24v and 48v, but being able to do that in software seems kind of > undesirable to me anyway. > > On Mon, Sep 17, 2018 at 9:56 PM David Coudron < > [email protected]> wrote: > >> Of all the devices on our network, we lose Ubiquiti Nanos (our relays for >> large farm sites), and Netonix switches in our towers the most. The >> Cambium equipment can double as a hammer when needed, you almost can’t get >> em to break. The Mimosas do OK, but have their share of ethernet port >> problems. As Steve mentioned, you expect the Ubiquitis to fail given >> their price, but the Netonix devices are surprisingly fragile. If it >> lightnings in the middle of South Dakota it seems like we are replacing >> switches in our Minnesota tower cabinets. I have a box of 8 of them >> sitting here that have all been replaced. In the same cabinets we have >> never replaced one Cambium AP and only 4 Mimosa backhaul radios (we have >> about 4 to 1 more Mimosas deployed than Netonix). I am sure there is >> something that can be replaced on the Netonix, but we just don’t have the >> time to become Netonix repair guys. >> >> >> >> We are seriously looking at the Mikrotik Cloud Router Switch as a >> replacement for Netonix. The only issue is getting both 24V and 48V to >> the device at the same time, but I think we can get that figured out. >> Anyone have any practical experience with these they care to share? >> >> >> >> Regards, >> >> >> >> David Coudron >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> *From:* AF <[email protected]> *On Behalf Of * Steve Jones >> *Sent:* Monday, September 17, 2018 9:38 PM >> *To:* AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group <[email protected]> >> *Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] Surge suppression failure gigE APC HV >> >> >> >> Out of curiously, and this is a real question, how did netonix pick of >> the market share they did while offering utter garbage? It's not even like >> they're garbage ubnt cheap, that I understand, I poke the 3 am Ubnt fat >> girl at the end of the bar regularly, cause she's cheap and fat so not >> going to be a problem. But netonix is like 90 percent problem from what I >> read. You never hear about a high maintenance fat chic because there's no >> interest. How's this tubby broad even in the discussion? >> >> >> >> On Mon, Sep 17, 2018, 7:57 PM Chuck McCown <[email protected]> wrote: >> >> PTC fuses are not fast enough to protect Netonix. It actually has them >> inside. >> >> That is why I build the POE fuse product. It does blow fast enough to >> protect the switch. >> >> >> >> *From:* Mark Radabaugh >> >> *Sent:* Monday, September 17, 2018 1:12 PM >> >> *To:* AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group >> >> *Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] Surge suppression failure gigE APC HV >> >> >> >> Chuck, >> >> >> >> We have had really good luck with putting PTC fuses in front of the POE >> power on the Mimosa radios in order to avoid blowing the fuses in the >> rectifier shelf when the gas tubes in the Mimosa short the POE. I’m >> thinking maybe you want to look at putting some of those on the SS for the >> power coming from the Netonix? Let the gas tubes (or whatever surge >> suppressor you are using) short all the lines together and let the PTC fuse >> cut the power briefly? Might be a little tricky to get the values right >> but might be able to save the POE from blowing. >> >> >> >> Or talk Netonix into including them internally so that they survive a POE >> short circuit. >> >> >> >> For those of you scratching your head… we routinely power Mimosa B5’s >> using Packetflux DC injectors from the -48V rectifier. The surge >> suppression in the B5’s will short the power supply during a surge event >> long enough to blow the 2 or 5A telecom fuse. All the equipment lives but >> we have to go replace the fuse - which we don’t want to do since it causes >> an outage until we get there. The PTC fuse inline avoids the fuse blowing. >> >> >> >> >> >> Mark >> >> >> >> On Sep 17, 2018, at 10:33 AM, [email protected] wrote: >> >> >> >> Surges cause the surge components to do their job, which is to short >> everything to ground. >> >> Netonix ports will blow if they are shorted. >> >> >> >> *From:* Josh Luthman >> >> *Sent:* Monday, September 17, 2018 6:58 AM >> >> *To:* AFMUG >> >> *Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] Surge suppression failure gigE APC HV >> >> >> >> Should only be 24v. Even if it doubled, should be OK on the radio and >> surge card. >> >> >> >> What's the Netonix problem? >> >> Josh Luthman >> Office: 937-552-2340 <(937)%20552-2340> >> Direct: 937-552-2343 <(937)%20552-2343> >> 1100 Wayne St >> Suite 1337 >> Troy, OH 45373 >> >> >> >> On Fri, Sep 14, 2018, 12:44 PM <[email protected]> wrote: >> >> If the voltage was too high or had spikes it could certainly have done >> that. >> >> Kinda the reverse of the Netonix problem. >> >> >> >> *From:* Josh Luthman >> >> *Sent:* Friday, September 14, 2018 10:37 AM >> >> *To:* AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group >> >> *Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] Surge suppression failure gigE APC HV >> >> >> >> I replaced the POE, AP, and surge card on Tuesday. That's what fixed it >> for sure. >> >> >> >> The AP is sitting here in the lab and doing gigabit for 3 days now, >> happily. The POE and surge card are in the trash. >> >> >> >> I'm wondering if it's possible the POE fried all of those surge cards on >> Saturday/Sunday/Monday/Tuesday. If that's possible? >> >> >> >> >> >> Josh Luthman >> Office: 937-552-2340 <(937)%20552-2340> >> Direct: 937-552-2343 <(937)%20552-2343> >> 1100 Wayne St >> Suite 1337 >> Troy, OH 45373 >> >> >> >> On Thu, Sep 13, 2018 at 2:21 PM, <[email protected]> wrote: >> >> You say you are inclined to think it is the POE. I presume that means >> the POE power supply. So try a new one. I am probably not understanding >> the situation. >> >> >> >> *From:* Josh Luthman >> >> *Sent:* Thursday, September 13, 2018 11:39 AM >> >> *To:* AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group >> >> *Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] Surge suppression failure gigE APC HV >> >> >> >> I have a thousand new POEs. What do you want me to try? >> >> >> >> >> >> Josh Luthman >> Office: 937-552-2340 <(937)%20552-2340> >> Direct: 937-552-2343 <(937)%20552-2343> >> 1100 Wayne St >> Suite 1337 >> Troy, OH 45373 >> >> >> >> On Thu, Sep 13, 2018 at 11:07 AM, <[email protected]> wrote: >> >> Do you have a spare POE to try ? >> >> >> >> *From:* Josh Luthman >> >> *Sent:* Thursday, September 13, 2018 6:10 AM >> >> *To:* AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group >> >> *Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] Surge suppression failure gigE APC HV >> >> >> >> Well there was no lightning or anything, beautiful weather. After >> several cards I have to imagine it's the POE or the AP. We replaced those >> two at the same time. >> >> >> Does it make sense the POE was doing something weird to fry them or more >> sense the AP was pulling too many amps? AP seems perfectly fine in the >> office for 36 hours, so I'm inclined to believe it's the POE. >> >> >> >> >> >> Josh Luthman >> Office: 937-552-2340 <(937)%20552-2340> >> Direct: 937-552-2343 <(937)%20552-2343> >> 1100 Wayne St >> Suite 1337 >> Troy, OH 45373 >> >> >> >> On Tue, Sep 11, 2018 at 2:51 PM, Chuck McCown <[email protected]> wrote: >> >> It resets immediately if it is going to reset. >> >> Sounds like it took a hit. >> >> >> >> *From:* Josh Luthman >> >> *Sent:* Tuesday, September 11, 2018 12:45 PM >> >> *To:* AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group >> >> *Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] Surge suppression failure gigE APC HV >> >> >> >> How long does it need to be cold for it to be self reset? The one I took >> down this morning looks perfectly clean and I can't get pins 7/8 through >> it. At this point I'm thinking the (AC) POE is the cause of all our issues >> (Cambium, so that pair is positive 24v and data). >> >> >> >> >> >> Josh Luthman >> Office: 937-552-2340 <(937)%20552-2340> >> Direct: 937-552-2343 <(937)%20552-2343> >> 1100 Wayne St >> Suite 1337 >> Troy, OH 45373 >> >> >> >> On Tue, Sep 11, 2018 at 10:47 AM, Chuck McCown <[email protected]> wrote: >> >> Sure, you can also wash them with 90% isopropyl alcohol. That will >> remove any water. Need to make sure there is no corrosion. >> >> Wash out the jacks extra good too. >> >> >> >> If they have not had too large of a surge, they are totally self >> resetting. >> >> >> >> *From:* Josh Luthman >> >> *Sent:* Tuesday, September 11, 2018 7:25 AM >> >> *To:* AFMUG >> >> *Subject:* [AFMUG] Surge suppression failure gigE APC HV >> >> >> >> There's a cause and I'm pretty confident it's not the cards themselves. >> >> >> >> This weekend an AP started having eth link issues. Look at it and the >> card/rj45 is full of water. Replaced the line. Problem returns about 12 >> hours later. >> >> >> >> I plug in my continuity tester and pin 7 blinks quickly and fades away. >> Headed up the tower now for a new AP and already did a new Poe (no power >> until AP replaced). >> >> >> >> Is it possible the Poe/AP are damaging the surge card? We've gone >> through 5-6 cards since Saturday, and I thought it was all water related. >> It stopped raining on Sunday after card 3 + new line. >> >> >> >> Any other ideas? 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