Lived there for about 12 to 13 years and learned to love the food. Especially brussies (brussel sprouts).
-- Larry Smith [email protected] On Thu November 1 2018 16:29, [email protected] wrote: > I dunno, I just spent a couple of weeks there. I go over every year or two > to visit grandkids. Had the best nachos ever in a tiny little fish house. > Pulled pork on chips with cheese and jalapenos. Excellent takeout curry. > Cornish pasties are always good as is the clotted cream. > All the fish is good. > > I think they get a bum rap for food. > > From: Ken Hohhof > Sent: Thursday, November 1, 2018 3:23 PM > To: 'AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group' > Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Mobile in CBRS > > According to the Internet, Brussels sprouts are a big part of traditional > Christmas dinner in Britain. > > > > More proof there is no good food in Britain (except perhaps curry) (and > fish and chips). > > > > > > From: AF <[email protected]> On Behalf Of [email protected] > Sent: Thursday, November 1, 2018 12:57 PM > To: AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group <[email protected]> > Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Mobile in CBRS > > > > So funny, we used to have a commissioner here that everyone called Boss > Hogg. He wasn’t quite as short. > > > > From: Adam Moffett > > Sent: Thursday, November 1, 2018 11:51 AM > > To: AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group > > Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Mobile in CBRS > > > > I can see the 1st amendment thing. > > > > "Uh oh, you Duke boys been saying bad things on Facebook about county > commissioner Boss Hogg. Looks like 'hate speech' to me. We goin ta hafta > suspend your internet service. Company policy and all. You understand I'm > sure." > > > > But it's a hypothetical problem....and more easily solved by changing the > AUP than anything else. > > > > I'm not sure how either this or lima beans relates to mobile devices in > CBRS, but it's a fun conversation all the same. > > > > ------ Original Message ------ > > From: "Ken Hohhof" <[email protected]> > > To: "AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group" <[email protected]> > > Sent: 10/31/2018 6:45:47 PM > > Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Mobile in CBRS > > > > I’d find it more “ominous” if there was an actual case of them censoring > someone, rather than just some language in an AUP. I’d also worry more if > the current AUP actually had such language, which apparently it doesn’t. > > > > I’ll give you the thing about Rise can do stuff that the government > can’t. Although it’s a bit complicated. First Amendment says govt can’t > stop you from saying hateful things about someone, but if you threaten > violence, that speech is not protected. And there must be some kind of > exception for schools, which can stop things like online bullying. > > > > > > From: AF <[email protected]> On Behalf Of [email protected] > Sent: Wednesday, October 31, 2018 4:53 PM > To: 'AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group' <[email protected]> > Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Mobile in CBRS > > > > Rise is a private company. They can write whatever rules they want. > > > > A city is government, the people. > > They should not be able to abridge rights. > > This is identical to preventing local residents from checking out certain > books from the library like Huck Finn. > > According to this mentality, you could not quote certain passages from > Huck Finn in an email if using the muni system. > > > > From: Ken Hohhof > > Sent: Wednesday, October 31, 2018 3:46 PM > > To: 'AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group' > > Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Mobile in CBRS > > > > By the article, you mean the think tank guy? That paper is from 3 years > ago. Maybe that language was in the EPB acceptable use policy then, hard > to tell, especially since he doesn’t cite a reference, but it’s certainly > not there now. O’Rielly made his speech just the other day. Warning of an > “ominous threat” based on a 3 year old think tank article about language in > an AUP seems a bit overblown, don’t you think? > > > > And maybe we live in glass houses. I just randomly selected Rise > Broadband since they’re the biggest WISP and checked their AUP: > > > > “YOU may not use the Service to advertise, solicit, store, post, > transmit, disseminate, or otherwise make available material or information > that is unlawful, harmful, threatening, abusive, harassing, libelous, > defamatory, hateful, obscene, indecent, or otherwise objectionable or which > encourages or participates in conduct that would constitute a criminal > offense, gives rise to a civil liability, or otherwise violates any local, > state, national, or international law, order, rule, or regulation.” > > > > And of course “think tanks” are rarely independent and non partisan. The > Free State Foundation is funded by CTIA and NCTA, and has ties to ALEC. > Not saying that’s wrong, just that they are carrying water for big telecom. > > > > > > From: AF <[email protected]> On Behalf Of [email protected] > Sent: Wednesday, October 31, 2018 4:03 PM > To: 'AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group' <[email protected]> > Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Mobile in CBRS > > > > This is breaking LENT a bit. > > > > The TN one was the one quoted in the article. Specifically mentioned > hate speech. > > > > From: Ken Hohhof > > Sent: Wednesday, October 31, 2018 2:35 PM > > To: 'AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group' > > Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Mobile in CBRS > > > > Chuck, where in this document do you see a threat to the First Amendment: > > > https://epb.com/storage/app/media/uploaded-files/Residential%20Terms%20and% >20Conditions.pdf > > > > It looks like ours or any other ISP AUP/TOS document as far as I can see. > > > > There are many muni broadband horror stories, I don’t know why he decided > to pick on one that is generally considered one of the success stories. > Probably because AT&T had opposed EPB (which is the power company in > Chattanooga) expanding beyond town. I suspect a power company branching > out into broadband fiber probably has a much higher probability of success > than some town that says let’s become an ISP, how hard can it be. And in > this case, EPB was already a FTTH operator offering gigabit service, they > just wanted to expand their footprint. > > > > I don’t like muni broadband either, especially if it pushes out existing > ISPs, and potentially leaves the citizens or bondholders on the hook for an > expensive adventure that ends up failing. But I think the First Amendment > approach is the wrong one, especially for the federal government to say > that your local government is going to censor you, as if the feds would > never do that. And picking Chattanooga as the example of this alleged > problem, shows he is just a shill for AT&T. > > > > I’m also not sure I like the trend toward every level of government > trying to pre-empt the levels below them. The states want to outlaw local > government making decisions (foolhardy or not), and the feds want to outlaw > the states doing things. This seems contrary to the Tenth Amendment, and I > thought Republicans were big supporters of states rights. > > > > It also seems strange they have no problem with municipalities providing > water, collecting garbage, plowing snow, or providing police and fire > services. I guess those don’t bother some big corporation like AT&T. > > > > > > From: AF <[email protected]> On Behalf Of Mark Radabaugh > Sent: Wednesday, October 31, 2018 3:00 PM > To: AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group <[email protected]> > Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Mobile in CBRS > > > > I’m not a huge fan of muni broadband for some of the reasons you cite. > I was just amazed that he is all for free speech when it meets his goals > and then completely against it another circumstance. > > > > Mark > > > > On Oct 31, 2018, at 3:53 PM, [email protected] wrote: > > > > I actually agreed with the muni wireless and free speech issue. He > cited exact language in the AUPs. Hate speech is hard to define and muni’s > should not have that in their AUPs in my opinion. I also liked that he > didn’t think munis should be able to compete with private sector. > > > > I am only a socialist when it serves my purposes, at all other times I > am a libertarian... > > > > From: Mark Radabaugh > > Sent: Wednesday, October 31, 2018 1:49 PM > > To: AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group > > Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Mobile in CBRS > > > > Oh, it’s even better. > > > > In the same speech where he was railing against municipal broadband on > free speech grounds he was also busy bragging about how tough the FCC is > being on those dastardly free speech pirate radio stations. Because, you > know, pirate radio is obviously the lowest of the scofflaws. How dare > someone use a FM transmitter without a license! The FCC has managed to > take a whole slew of incredibly dangerous pastors broadcasting sermons off > the air. > > > > Mark > > > > On Oct 31, 2018, at 3:06 PM, Ken Hohhof <[email protected]> wrote: > > > > True. The Pai FCC and the Trump Administration in general seems > dedicated to leaving a legacy that can’t easily be undone. Like selling > spectrum, or appointing Supreme Court Justices. They probably see Wheeler > as a fool whose accomplishments could be undone with the stroke of a pen, > and Obama much the same. I’m not being political, and I guess you have to > give them credit for understanding how the game is played. If you want a > legacy that lasts longer than the next election, you have to build it with > bricks not straw. > > > > BTW, did you see where O’Rielly argued that muni broadband, promoted > by the evil Wheeler, presented a “particularly ominous threat to the First > Amendment”, citing TOS language against hate speech and threats. > > > > https://docs.fcc.gov/public/attachments/DOC-354770A1.pdf > > > > > https://motherboard.vice.com/en_us/article/bj49j8/fcc-falsely-claims-commun >ity-broadband-an-ominous-threat-to-the-first-amendment > > > > > > > > From: AF <[email protected]> On Behalf Of Mark Radabaugh > Sent: Wednesday, October 31, 2018 1:47 PM > To: AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group <[email protected]> > Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Mobile in CBRS > > > > Michael O’Rielly absolutely positively thinks it’s a fantastic idea. > > > > The really scary part is that he thinks it’s better for private > industry to own it, since he can’t trust future FCC commissioners. He’s > that guy that won’t date a girl that would go out with a guy like him. > > > > Mark > > > > On Oct 31, 2018, at 12:06 PM, Joe Novak <[email protected]> wrote: > > > > " On the other hand, they get rewarded for carrying spectrum as an > asset on their balance sheet." > > > > This is the most disgusting thing about the American auctioning > system right now. > > > > Who in their right minds thought it was a good idea to just auction > a finite resource to the highest bidder? Why isn't a use it or lose it > system enforced, or at the very least a system like we will see in CBRS? It > all seems like such a sham that gets propped up continuously. > > > > > > > > > > On Wed, Oct 31, 2018 at 10:42 AM Ken Hohhof <[email protected]> > wrote: > > It’s going to be interesting, I wonder why the carriers would pay > anywhere near the kind of money for CBRS spectrum that they are used to for > low and mid band spectrum, when they can use it for free as GAA. Similar > to 5 GHz. No cost, and opportunistic use for carrier aggregation. > > > > On the other hand, they get rewarded for carrying spectrum as an > asset on their balance sheet. > > > > I’m thinking of a scenario where the auction sets too high a > minimum bid, and they get zero bids. Even 10 cents per MHz-POP might be > too high, if it can be used as GAA at no cost. As long as they have an > anchor channel in other spectrum, CBRS is like icing on the cake, nice but > not mission critical, and possibly not worth paying much money to “own”. > > > > > > From: AF <[email protected]> On Behalf Of Dave > Sent: Wednesday, October 31, 2018 10:13 AM > To: [email protected] > Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Mobile in CBRS > > > > That makes it easier for the carriers to stomp out the little GAA > guys :) > > On 10/31/18 9:50 AM, Joe Novak wrote: > > I think it's more likely that they will have a licensed anchor > channel and only aggregate 3.65 in the downlink, using different > frequencies for uplink. Carrier aggregation is a whole different game of > spectrum usage. > > > > On Wed, Oct 31, 2018 at 9:38 AM Adam Moffett > <[email protected]> wrote: > > One thing that was unfortunate about the NN license was that > mobile stations had a stupid low Tx power limit. Basically mobile wasn't > viable. > > Is CBRS going to have that type of restriction? > > > -- > AF mailing list > [email protected] > http://af.afmug.com/mailman/listinfo/af_af.afmug.com > > > > > > -- > > -- > AF mailing list > [email protected] > http://af.afmug.com/mailman/listinfo/af_af.afmug.com > > <image001.jpg>-- > AF mailing list > [email protected] > http://af.afmug.com/mailman/listinfo/af_af.afmug.com > > > > -- > AF mailing list > [email protected] > http://af.afmug.com/mailman/listinfo/af_af.afmug.com > > > > > > > --------------------------------------------------------------------------- >- > > -- > AF mailing list > [email protected] > http://af.afmug.com/mailman/listinfo/af_af.afmug.com > > -- > AF mailing list > [email protected] > http://af.afmug.com/mailman/listinfo/af_af.afmug.com > > > > > --------------------------------------------------------------------------- >--- > > -- > AF mailing list > [email protected] > http://af.afmug.com/mailman/listinfo/af_af.afmug.com > > > --------------------------------------------------------------------------- >--- > > -- > AF mailing list > [email protected] > http://af.afmug.com/mailman/listinfo/af_af.afmug.com > > > --------------------------------------------------------------------------- >----- > > -- > AF mailing list > [email protected] > http://af.afmug.com/mailman/listinfo/af_af.afmug.com > > > > --------------------------------------------------------------------------- >----- -- AF mailing list [email protected] http://af.afmug.com/mailman/listinfo/af_af.afmug.com
