It happens :)
We have a local cableco and of course the telcos. We also have 2 fiber
carriers that so happen to pass right in front of our office and one
made us a hub in their fiber ring so we able to get exchange in dallas
if needed.
The competitor side of things is that our own Chamber and the small
businesses pushing for bigger better connections seems to think that 10G
fiber to a select few will fix everything. So, now we have an outside
plant moving in to the area making it all the hype but they are having
their own troubles at their own home base to where they can sustain most
of their base. So I am very excited to see this hit the ground running
in our very demanding little city LOL.
The biggest issue that our chamber doesnt get is if we had more
industrial and jobs that the Superior Fiber would follow.
On 3/1/19 12:06 PM, [email protected] wrote:
Funny, iProvo got an offer from me too. I think I offered $4M and
they thought it was worth $24M or some such thing. They sold it to
Google for something like $4.
-----Original Message----- From: Sterling Jacobson
Sent: Friday, March 1, 2019 11:01 AM
To: AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Fiber - Rural Electric Co-Ops
I've seen a few instances of that over the years.
I know and helped train a few that worked it out right and are happy
with it.
Here is what I've seen go bad in the past with this model (just for
fun because I like to rant about it):
The reasoning is something like, "Hey, we are budgeting for fiber for
utility monitoring and cameras or whatever, so let's be an ISP and
make more money off the infrastructure investment!"
And then the utility people create some math that doesn't work or
bring in some "professional" to do the math and it still doesn't work.
They bond everyone in the city to pay for it according to the false
math and then a year or two later realize they could only afford to
build out a portion of the city. And that the utility people have no
clue how to build and/or run a MAN let alone a full-fledged customer
facing ISP.
Then citizens wake up and realize they aren't getting what they bonded
for, get super angry and start firing people that don't deserve to get
fired.
The employees were just excited, sold a pile of lies and bad math, and
not trained to handle their jobs that become three times more hours a
week.
One local case was Provo City electrical/utility division installed a
lot of fiber within the city and then tried a hybrid model of having
other companies do the front facing customer ISP. As we all know, that
didn't work for them and was purchased by Google. Who then spent about
3-10x what most of us would spend to do the same plant work, lol!
I sat in several meetings with employees at Provo City when it was in
development and as an ISP partner in their initial stages.
It was a three ring circus I tell you. I purchased the ISP for other
reasons, but quickly divested myself of anything to do with Provo and
their failing network at the time. Best thing I could have done it was
a losing prospect.
Now days things can be done much cheaper and smarter and tools and
ONT/equipment are much better and easier to work with.
But plant work is still expensive and hiring it out is still way
expensive, so having realistic math and models is key and sort of hard
to come by.
-----Original Message-----
From: AF <[email protected]> On Behalf Of Matt Hoppes
Sent: Friday, March 1, 2019 9:53 AM
To: AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group <[email protected]>
Subject: [AFMUG] Fiber - Rural Electric Co-Ops
Didn't someone here, a few days ago, mention that some Electric Co-Ops
had previously built FTTH and then sold it off/shut it down because it
ended up being more than they wanted to be involved in? Or something
along those lines?
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