+1000 I love waving to the gas stations as I pass them by every day. Not to mention never thinking of an oil change.
From: Mathew Howard Sent: Monday, November 25, 2019 6:00 PM To: AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Cybertruck It's pretty rare that I even have to think about it. It's honestly way more convenient to just drive into the garage and plug a cord in everyday than having to stop at a gas station a couple times a week... On Mon, Nov 25, 2019 at 6:36 PM <[email protected]> wrote: You get really used to “bingo fuel” like you do in an aircraft. Not a problem. From: Steve Jones Sent: Monday, November 25, 2019 5:29 PM To: AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Cybertruck so you have to plot your workday based on access to sufficient charging sources and 50 percent of your range? Dont get me wrong, these teslas are neat toys, they just dont have a legitimate service use without the advent of the flux capacitor On Mon, Nov 25, 2019 at 6:27 PM Darin Steffl <[email protected]> wrote: Steve, I don't believe you understand how fast charging is for Tesla. My model 3 can charge at up to 150KW so if I pull into a charger at 10% battery life and charge to 80%, it only takes about half hour. With V3 of their supercharger, the rate increased to 250KW peak so expect a near full charge under 20 mins while traveling. 90% of my miles are charged at home in the garage, overnight. Most EV owners are not charging at public chargers like we all do at gas stations today. This is a fundamental change when buying an EV but it basically means you have a full battery every morning. On Mon, Nov 25, 2019, 6:15 PM Steve Jones <[email protected]> wrote: at this point life has fucked me enough that id need bowling ball size beads to gain anything from them For one, a work truck idles for power, for heat and for AC. You dont run a couple hundred miles or a few hours in a work truck, then stop for hours to fuel it up, you stop at the gas station, hit on the toothless broad at the counter, grab your energy drink, look in the shitter mirror at yourself with contempt and get on with your day On Mon, Nov 25, 2019 at 6:03 PM Mike Hammett <[email protected]> wrote: I figured the anal beads would be the up sell for you. Why do you think this truck is less capable? ----- Mike Hammett Intelligent Computing Solutions Midwest Internet Exchange The Brothers WISP ------------------------------------------------------------------------ From: "Steve Jones" <[email protected]> To: "AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group" <[email protected]> Sent: Monday, November 25, 2019 5:56:49 PM Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Cybertruck Rotflmao, apple had a product everybody wanted, even if they didnt know it yet. I guess i just come from a time before men wore skinny jeans, manbuns and perfectly tailored lumberjack shirts that stay impeccably clean. Trucks used to be a thing men used to do man shit. I assume instead of free floormats these will come with a free set of anal beads since tools are now more an accessory than a necessity of function. On Mon, Nov 25, 2019 at 5:41 PM Josh Luthman <[email protected]> wrote: Steve let me introduce to this company called Apple. Josh Luthman Office: 937-552-2340 Direct: 937-552-2343 1100 Wayne St Suite 1337 Troy, OH 45373 On Mon, Nov 25, 2019, 3:46 PM Steve Jones <[email protected]> wrote: A. Why does musk get a free pass every time he over promises and under delivers? B. Why would anybody with any modicum of testosterone buy an overpriced truck that doesnt have real cargo capacity or the ability to actually haul a load over distance On Mon, Nov 25, 2019 at 1:46 PM Mathew Howard <[email protected]> wrote: Yeah, MPGe is useful for comparing electric vehicles, if nothing else. I agree, I got the impression that the cybertruck is mainly designed that way for functional reasons. Elon Musk even said that part of the reason is because they can't stamp the stainless steel. On Mon, Nov 25, 2019, 11:02 AM Bill Prince <[email protected]> wrote: I agree that the calculus for MPGe is probably not realistic, but at least it's something to hang your hat on for now. The latest firmware for the model 3 comes in at ~~ 140 MPGe, so Tesla is apparently figuring out how to squeeze more efficiency out of their vehicles. I think one of the reasons for the radical shape of the cybertruck is an effort to get some aerodynamics out of a platform that (with conventional trucks) is very unfriendly toward aerodynamics. Another reason might be because the material (stainless steel) is pretty difficult to hydro-form. bp <part15sbs{at}gmail{dot}com> On 11/25/2019 8:53 AM, Mathew Howard wrote: Considering the size of it, and the fact that it's mostly made out of relatively thick stainless steel, I have a hard time believing they can get 250 miles out of a 75kwh battery pack. Granted, Tesla has made huge improvements in efficiency on the model S over it's lifespan, but 111 MPGe would be the same as the current Model S, and it seems unlikely they'll get that much better over the next couple of years. I think a 100kwh battery on the base model is a lot more likely. MPGe isn't exactly an accurate way of comparing the cost of an electric vs gas vehicle... my model S is rated at 89 MPGe, but if I figure out what the actual cost per mile is compared to current gas prices here, it works out to the equivalent of around 50 MPG. But not too long ago, that would've been closer to 70 MPG (and most likely will be again before too long), and the cost of electricity is way more consistent than gas. On Mon, Nov 25, 2019 at 9:44 AM Bill Prince <[email protected]> wrote: I was scouring the net trying to get a clue about what size the batteries would be on this thing. Only one publication speculated that the base model with 250 mile range (the $39,900 one) would have a ~~ 75KWh battery. Of course it is pure speculation, but that would result in about 111 MPGe. Can't do that with your diesel Silverado. bp <part15sbs{at}gmail{dot}com> On 11/24/2019 7:36 PM, Robert wrote: I think I figured out the design... Prototype name was the Cyberf117 On 11/24/19 6:20 PM, Chuck McCown wrote: I want one with a Boston Scientific dog in the back. From: Steve Jones Sent: Sunday, November 24, 2019 4:46 PM To: AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Cybertruck Tesla production models roaming the streets is scary enough without the nightmare of prototypes creeping through the alleys On Sat, Nov 23, 2019, 10:27 PM Bill Prince <[email protected]> wrote: There may be prototypes roaming the streets as we speak. bp <part15sbs{at}gmail{dot}com> On 11/23/2019 8:05 PM, Ken Hohhof wrote: Review says the exterior is all “stabby” but the inside is comfy. https://www.engadget.com/2019/11/22/tesla-cybertruck-impressions-ride/ Stabby Steve would like it. I was surprise they were taking it on test drives, I had assumed it was a non functional prototype just for show. From: AF mailto:[email protected] On Behalf Of Robert Sent: Friday, November 22, 2019 7:58 PM To: [email protected] Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Cybertruck Oh, he didn't opt for the cupholder delete option, which comes with a $4K/cupholder CREDIT... On 11/22/19 4:53 PM, Bill Prince wrote: I was just going by what Robert said as $8K, and I figured there were two of them. bp<part15sbs{at}gmail{dot}com> On 11/22/2019 4:51 PM, Tim Hardy wrote: Umm, Bill - fake news. Came in my 2016 Cayman GTS for nada… On Nov 22, 2019, at 7:37 PM, Bill Prince <[email protected]> wrote: Yeah. Only $4K each. bp<part15sbs{at}gmail{dot}com> On 11/22/2019 3:51 PM, Mathew Howard wrote: woah! you can get cupholders in a Porsche these days?! On Fri, Nov 22, 2019 at 3:30 PM Robert Andrews <[email protected]> wrote: Having gone through Porsche ordering hell, 8K gets you cupholders finally, Sound system? More like 15... On 11/22/2019 01:04 PM, Josh Luthman wrote: > Toyota is super nice when it comes to base models. I got a 4 cylinder > Tacoma (should have gotten the v6, it's way too underpowered) base model > and it has touchscreen with bluetooth. Power windows/locks/etc. > > Porsche on the other hand requires you have something like $8k in > options for that feature. Another $2k if you want the bluetooth to do > audio as well. > > Josh Luthman > Office: 937-552-2340 > Direct: 937-552-2343 > 1100 Wayne St > Suite 1337 > Troy, OH 45373 > > > On Fri, Nov 22, 2019 at 3:56 PM Mike Hammett <[email protected] > <mailto:[email protected]>> wrote: > > It was mostly a dig at the lowest priced option a manufacturer makes > probably is missing a variety of features one is used to. > > > > ----- > Mike Hammett > Intelligent Computing Solutions <http://www.ics-il.com/> > <https://www.facebook.com/ICSIL><https://plus.google.com/+IntelligentComputingSolutionsDeKalb><https://www.linkedin.com/company/intelligent-computing-solutions><https://twitter.com/ICSIL> > Midwest Internet Exchange <http://www.midwest-ix.com/> > <https://www.facebook.com/mdwestix><https://www.linkedin.com/company/midwest-internet-exchange><https://twitter.com/mdwestix> > The Brothers WISP <http://www.thebrotherswisp.com/> > <https://www.facebook.com/thebrotherswisp> > > > <https://www.youtube.com/channel/UCXSdfxQv7SpoRQYNyLwntZg> > ------------------------------------------------------------------------ > *From: *"Josh Luthman" <[email protected] > <mailto:[email protected]>> > *To: *"AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group" <[email protected] > <mailto:[email protected]>> > *Sent: *Friday, November 22, 2019 2:53:33 PM > *Subject: *Re: [AFMUG] Cybertruck > > Yes Mike, it's a Toyota. Not Pontiac. > > Josh Luthman > Office: 937-552-2340 > Direct: 937-552-2343 > 1100 Wayne St > Suite 1337 > Troy, OH 45373 > > > On Fri, Nov 22, 2019 at 3:51 PM Mike Hammett <[email protected] > <mailto:[email protected]>> wrote: > > Does a $30k truck come with AC? Power windows? Radio? > > > > ----- > Mike Hammett > Intelligent Computing Solutions <http://www.ics-il.com/> > <https://www.facebook.com/ICSIL><https://plus.google.com/+IntelligentComputingSolutionsDeKalb><https://www.linkedin.com/company/intelligent-computing-solutions><https://twitter.com/ICSIL> > Midwest Internet Exchange <http://www.midwest-ix.com/> > <https://www.facebook.com/mdwestix><https://www.linkedin.com/company/midwest-internet-exchange><https://twitter.com/mdwestix> > The Brothers WISP <http://www.thebrotherswisp.com/> > <https://www.facebook.com/thebrotherswisp> > > > <https://www.youtube.com/channel/UCXSdfxQv7SpoRQYNyLwntZg> > ------------------------------------------------------------------------ > *From: *"Matt Hoppes" <[email protected] > <mailto:[email protected]>> > *To: *"Mathew Howard" <[email protected] > <mailto:[email protected]>>, "AnimalFarm Microwave Users > Group" <[email protected] <mailto:[email protected]>> > *Sent: *Friday, November 22, 2019 2:49:15 PM > *Subject: *Re: [AFMUG] Cybertruck > > OK... and? Still a far cry from $40 or $50. > > On 11/22/19 3:42 PM, Mathew Howard wrote: > > That's $32,780... > > > > On Fri, Nov 22, 2019, 2:35 PM Matt Hoppes > > <[email protected] > <mailto:[email protected]> > > <mailto:[email protected] > <mailto:[email protected]>>> wrote: > > > > That’s the current model. > > > > Here’s the bill of sale: > > > > image1.jpeg > > > > On Nov 22, 2019, at 1:55 PM, Josh Luthman > > <[email protected] > <mailto:[email protected]> > <mailto:[email protected] > <mailto:[email protected]>>> > > wrote: > > > >> That's $36k, 20% more... > >> > >> Josh Luthman > >> Office: 937-552-2340 > >> Direct: 937-552-2343 > >> 1100 Wayne St > >> Suite 1337 > >> Troy, OH 45373 > >> > >> > >> On Fri, Nov 22, 2019 at 1:08 PM Matt Hoppes > >> <[email protected] > <mailto:[email protected]> > >> <mailto:[email protected] > <mailto:[email protected]>>> wrote: > >> > >> I’ll get you the bill of sale when I get back to the > office. > >> > >> Brand new 2018 Tundra. 100 miles. Never owned. No issue. > >> > >> Here’s a comparably equipped 2019 for $34k. > >> > >> <image1.png> > >> > >> On Nov 22, 2019, at 12:39 PM, Josh Luthman > >> <[email protected] > <mailto:[email protected]> > >> <mailto:[email protected] > <mailto:[email protected]>>> wrote: > >> > >>> You think a truck would have sat on the lot for a > year? > >>> Tundras don't sell well, but I don't think they sell > >>> remarkably bad. > >>> > >>> Josh Luthman > >>> Office: 937-552-2340 > >>> Direct: 937-552-2343 > >>> 1100 Wayne St > >>> Suite 1337 > >>> Troy, OH 45373 > >>> > >>> > >>> On Fri, Nov 22, 2019 at 12:38 PM Robert > >>> <[email protected] > <mailto:[email protected]> <mailto:[email protected] > <mailto:[email protected]>>> wrote: > >>> > >>> Last year lot sitter, sure.... > >>> > >>> On 11/22/19 9:23 AM, Josh Luthman wrote: > >>>> I seriously doubt you got a new, untitled, > Tundra for > >>>> $30k, Especially with options. There's no > way they're > >>>> doing a 10%+ discount for you or anyone else > with a > >>>> single quantity purchase. I'll believe 30k > when I see > >>>> the bill of sale. > >>>> > >>>> Josh Luthman > >>>> Office: 937-552-2340 > >>>> Direct: 937-552-2343 > >>>> 1100 Wayne St > >>>> Suite 1337 > >>>> Troy, OH 45373 > >>>> > >>>> > >>>> On Fri, Nov 22, 2019 at 10:57 AM Matt Hoppes > >>>> <[email protected] > <mailto:[email protected]> > >>>> <mailto:[email protected] > <mailto:[email protected]>>> wrote: > >>>> > >>>> I absolutely know what trucks cost and > $50-$60k is > >>>> way too much. We > >>>> purchased a brand new Toyota Tundra two > years ago > >>>> for $30k... outfitted > >>>> well. > >>>> > >>>> On 11/22/19 10:33 AM, Mike Hammett wrote: > >>>> > To be consistent with my feelings on > their semi > >>>> truck, as long as the > >>>> > performance, specifications, > reliability, utility > >>>> are as promised, I > >>>> > care much less about how it appears. > >>>> > > >>>> > That $40k price point is nice, though > I'd want at > >>>> least the $50k to have > >>>> > AWD. > >>>> > > >>>> > I've seen people say stuff like, "OMG, > that too > >>>> much money for a truck." > >>>> > Clearly they have no idea what trucks > cost. I > >>>> haven't seen what the > >>>> > electric ATV costs. > >>>> > > >>>> > I also wonder what else changes between > the tiers. > >>>> Adding more motors > >>>> > shouldn't add to the range of the > vehicle, so > >>>> what's happening with the > >>>> > battery, weight, etc. Adding more batteries > >>>> shouldn't make it faster, so > >>>> > what's up with the extra motors? > >>>> > > >>>> > I'm more willing to admit I don't need > to pull a > >>>> house with my daily > >>>> > driver because I can always get > something from the > >>>> farm. I just want it > >>>> > to be big enough to handle most things. > Hell, even > >>>> the 14k towing would > >>>> > be enough for our Bobcat and trailer. > >>>> > > >>>> > I wonder how trailers work with the > EVs... how > >>>> easy is it to add (or > >>>> > get the option for) gooseneck, fifth > wheel, etc. > >>>> > > >>>> > I do like the hard, lockable tonneau > cover. Maybe > >>>> Rivian had it > >>>> > available and I just forgot. Nice place > to store a > >>>> bunch of tools for a > >>>> > work truck, though no place to add a > ladder rack. > >>>> > > >>>> > I was annoyed they didn't have battery > specs, but > >>>> I suppose that could > >>>> > still be fuzzy. Maybe they don't know if > they need > >>>> 100 or 110 kw to meet > >>>> > their advertised performance numbers. > >>>> > > >>>> > Weight would be nice to know as well. > >>>> > > >>>> > I'm not surprised on the design. All > else equal, > >>>> I'd probably prefer the > >>>> > Rivian, but let's see how things > actually bare > >>>> out. What's the "mpg" > >>>> > compared to Rivian? I guess it'd be MPkWh? > >>>> > > >>>> > > >>>> > > >>>> > > >>>> > > >>>> > ----- > >>>> > Mike Hammett > >>>> > Intelligent Computing Solutions > >>>> <http://www.ics-il.com/> > >>>> > > >>>> > <https://www.facebook.com/ICSIL><https://plus.google.com/+IntelligentComputingSolutionsDeKalb><https://www.linkedin.com/company/intelligent-computing-solutions><https://twitter.com/ICSIL> > >>>> > Midwest Internet Exchange > <http://www.midwest-ix.com/> > >>>> > > >>>> > <https://www.facebook.com/mdwestix><https://www.linkedin.com/company/midwest-internet-exchange><https://twitter.com/mdwestix> > >>>> > The Brothers WISP > <http://www.thebrotherswisp.com/> > >>>> > <https://www.facebook.com/thebrotherswisp> > >>>> > > >>>> > > >>>> > > >>>> > <https://www.youtube.com/channel/UCXSdfxQv7SpoRQYNyLwntZg> > >>>> > > >>>> > ------------------------------------------------------------------------ > >>>> > *From: *"Ken Hohhof" <[email protected] > <mailto:[email protected]> > >>>> <mailto:[email protected] > <mailto:[email protected]>>> > >>>> > *To: *"AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group" > >>>> <[email protected] <mailto:[email protected]> > <mailto:[email protected] <mailto:[email protected]>>> > >>>> > *Sent: *Friday, November 22, 2019 9:25:31 AM > >>>> > *Subject: *[AFMUG] Cybertruck > >>>> > > >>>> > I was expecting to see some comments > from this > >>>> crowd. 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