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> On Nov 26, 2019, at 5:12 AM, David Coudron <[email protected]> 
> wrote:
> 
> 
> We have been running Ecobee for over four years at our place.   We have a 
> fairly complicated setup due to a Geo Thermal heating system, forced air and 
> in floor heat, and two zones in the house.  We also have a third, independent 
> fan coil HVAC unit in the garage that heats and cools the garage.   What we 
> have found over the years is that the thermostats are very easy to set up as 
> mentioned earlier in this thread.   However, the real challenge is the wiring 
> compatibility between your HVAC control equipment and the thermostat.    
> Commercial may be different, but I think it is basically the same as 
> residential and if each thermostat controls a unique piece of HVAC, things 
> are likely going to be pretty simple.   However, if each thermostat controls 
> a zone on a shared piece of HVAC, or two or three thermostats control a 
> single HVAC, you need to make sure you know what thermostat wiring your zone 
> controller equipment is looking for.   Also, the zone controller can control 
> things like heat stages if you have more than one stage (Geo is very well 
> know for this, but other heat pump HVAC equipment also have more than one 
> stage) or whether you want the thermostat to control stages.   Most smart 
> thermostats like Ecobee and Nest are fully capable of controlling stages.   
> Once you know that you have the correct wiring compatibility (for example we 
> eventually switched our zone controller because it wanted the old mechanical 
> thermostat with separate O and B wiring configuration), configuring the 
> Ecobee is pretty simple.   You will want to set a master thermostat so that 
> you don’t have one thermo in heat mode and one in cooling mode, they will 
> just fight each other.   This is quite straight forward when using most zone 
> controllers, you simply hook the one you want to be the master mode thermo to 
> the correct connectors on the zone controller.   If each thermo is 
> controlling unique and separate HVAC equipment, this would have to be done 
> through the Ecobee or Nest account, (IE configured in the thermo itself).  
>  
> No matter what, take pictures of how things are hooked up before starting, 
> and don’t throw anything away until well after you are convinced it is 
> working well.   In fact, I would recommend going through a heating and 
> cooling season before getting rid of anything depending on where you are at.  
>   Also, most HVAC professionals will know one or two automation platforms, 
> but won’t want to get involved with ones they aren’t familiar with.   They 
> can waste way too much time figuring out the nuances of some small problems.  
> Assume that if you start this project, you will be on your own, but I 
> wouldn’t let that steer you away from trying.   Simple things like a volt 
> meter to test which wire is energized on heat and cool calls from the thermo 
> go a long way into figuring out how things are working.
>  
> Once you deal with the wiring, it works very well and you can get a some 
> great reporting from the thermostat for things like how long did the thermo 
> call for heat before the call was satisfied, how long did it run in each 
> stage, how long did it run compared to outside temps, etc.
>  
> Let me know if you want more specifics, I ended up getting much deeper in the 
> weeds than I expected on this when putting in the Geo Thermal, but glad that 
> I spent the time as it works really well.   
>  
> Regards,
>  
> David Coudron
>  
>  
> From: AF <[email protected]> On Behalf Of Jason McKemie
> Sent: Monday, November 25, 2019 11:41 PM
> To: AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group <[email protected]>
> Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Building automation
>  
> The basic setup with nest is just logging the devices into your account.  
> Most of the automation is done automatically, obviously there is 
> configuration you can change, but it isn't necessary for operation.
>  
> On Mon, Nov 25, 2019 at 11:12 PM CBB - Jay Fuller <[email protected]> 
> wrote:
>  
> Learn more...i guess lol 
>  
> Sent from my smartphone
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> From: "Jason McKemie" <[email protected]>
> To: "AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group" <[email protected]>
> Subject: [AFMUG] Building automation
> Date: Mon, Nov 25, 2019 10:08 PM
> 
> What are you wanting to do? It's dead simple with nest.
> 
> On Monday, November 25, 2019, CBB - Jay Fuller <[email protected]> 
> wrote:
>  
> Any good YouTube videos to get started on home automation with nest?
>  
> Sent from my smartphone
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> From: "Darin Steffl" <[email protected]>
> To: "AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group" <[email protected]>
> Subject: [AFMUG] Building automation
> Date: Mon, Nov 25, 2019 8:32 PM
>  
> I'm a Nest fan but haven't used ecobee. Google owns nest and ecobee would be 
> the one to be acquired between these two.
>  
> Also, $5600 seems very high for 11 thermostats. Are there more parts to it 
> that I'm missing? 
>  
> On Mon, Nov 25, 2019, 7:56 PM Nate Burke <[email protected]> wrote:
> One of the young whippersnappers at an organization I work with is all 
> gung-ho on replacing all 11 thermostats in the building (Boiler with 
> multiple zones, and multiple RTU's) with ecobee thermostats that can be 
> remotely controlled and scheduled.  Total price for everything is 
> running about $5600 (parts only)  He's worked with ecobee before, so he 
> really likes it.
> 
> Has anyone worked with ecobee before?  Are there similar systems to 
> compare it to?  The Goal is to allow the office to control/schedule the 
> thermostats based on room usage.  We found one room that was set to 90 
> over the weekend last week.  I'm concerned that ecobee would be bought, 
> merged into someone else, and you suddenly have nice wall mounted 
> thermostats that can't be remotely managed anymore because the cloud 
> went away.
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