Facebook groups are not forums... As much as I dislike forums, I must admit, I dislike facebook groups much more (although in a different way)
On Tue, Jan 7, 2020 at 9:07 AM Mike Hammett <[email protected]> wrote: > "Would a forum have done as well?" > > > If you define Facebook groups as a forum, the answer is yes. The Facebook > groups and pages did respond well to the issue. The difference between > AFMUG and the others is that Forrest's expertise in the matter was on AFMUG. > > > > ----- > Mike Hammett > Intelligent Computing Solutions <http://www.ics-il.com/> > <https://www.facebook.com/ICSIL> > <https://plus.google.com/+IntelligentComputingSolutionsDeKalb> > <https://www.linkedin.com/company/intelligent-computing-solutions> > <https://twitter.com/ICSIL> > Midwest Internet Exchange <http://www.midwest-ix.com/> > <https://www.facebook.com/mdwestix> > <https://www.linkedin.com/company/midwest-internet-exchange> > <https://twitter.com/mdwestix> > The Brothers WISP <http://www.thebrotherswisp.com/> > <https://www.facebook.com/thebrotherswisp> > > > <https://www.youtube.com/channel/UCXSdfxQv7SpoRQYNyLwntZg> > ------------------------------ > *From: *"Ken Hohhof" <[email protected]> > *To: *"AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group" <[email protected]> > *Sent: *Tuesday, January 7, 2020 8:41:27 AM > *Subject: *Re: [AFMUG] WISPA email list > > IMHO, projects should have goals, otherwise they are change for change > sake. > > > > One needs to ask, what problem does this solve? > > > > It is popular to categorize people as either conservative or progressive, > which I think is false. Most people are both. They want to fix what’s > broke, and keep what works. > > > > So what’s broke, how does this change fix it, and are any babies being > thrown out with the bathwater? > > > > I see a lot of vendor forums. Some work, many don’t. The key seems to be > that a vendor forum needs the vendor to have moderators constantly > monitoring the forum posts and recruiting internal resources to respond. > Unless you just want it to serve a social function, rather than being > transactional, like announcements or requests for assistance. Unmoderated > vendor forums tend to become a space for bloviation and for noobs to > foolishly ask for help not realizing nobody will respond. > > > > Look how well this list responded to the GPS problem when the GLONASS > rollover occurred. Would a forum have done as well? > > > > Now it’s possible this is much fuss over nothing. Maybe what WISPA is > contemplating is a mere technical change that will allow the existing > transactional email format to continue, while also providing a convenient > archive for the people who visit only occasionally or when they are > researching something, maybe with cool search features. But I still ask, > what problem is being solved? > > > > There has been a long running discussion at WISPA that pretty much > consists of “I like lists” vs “I like forums”. It seems like either > somebody feels it’s time for the forum likers to have a turn, or else the > new WISPA software has a forum feature that somebody wants to use. But > decision making without goals is basically “listening to your gut”. My gut > wants a fish taco. > > > > > > *From:* AF <[email protected]> *On Behalf Of *Josh Baird > *Sent:* Tuesday, January 7, 2020 7:59 AM > *To:* AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group <[email protected]> > *Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] WISPA email list > > > > It doesn't seem like members@ is being used much anyways. It's so low > traffic, that I thought I got removed for some reason. > > > > At least we still have AFMUG, amirite? > > > > > > > > On Tue, Jan 7, 2020 at 8:45 AM Dennis Burgess via AF <[email protected]> > wrote: > > Yep. While I really thing that the WISPA mailing lists are important, > moving it to a forum and discontinuing mailing list would be a bad idea for > WISPA. > > > > > > > > *Dennis Burgess, Mikrotik Certified TrainerMTCNA, MTCRE, MTCWE, MTCTCE, > MTCINE, MTCSE, HE IPv6 Sage, Cambium ePMP Certified*Author of "Learn > RouterOS- Second Edition” > *Link Technologies, Inc* -- Mikrotik & WISP Support Services > *Office*: 314-735-0270 Website: http://www.linktechs.net > Create Wireless Coverage’s with www.towercoverage.com > > > > *From:* AF <[email protected]> *On Behalf Of *Mike Hammett > *Sent:* Tuesday, January 7, 2020 7:36 AM > *To:* AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group <[email protected]> > *Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] WISPA email list > > > > When a couple non-WISPA FB groups became popular, WISPA mailing list > traffic plummeted. > > > > ----- > Mike Hammett > Intelligent Computing Solutions > <https://imsva91-ctp.trendmicro.com:443/wis/clicktime/v1/query?url=http%3a%2f%2fwww.ics%2dil.com&umid=F35A4989-9B8C-FC05-8FFD-D714EE199469&auth=079c058f437b7c6303d36c6513e5e8848d0c5ac4-ba2a74ae624d6c038621c1c64097aeab4a24f399> > <https://www.facebook.com/ICSIL> > <https://plus.google.com/+IntelligentComputingSolutionsDeKalb> > <https://www.linkedin.com/company/intelligent-computing-solutions> > <https://twitter.com/ICSIL> > Midwest Internet Exchange <http://www.midwest-ix.com/> > <https://www.facebook.com/mdwestix> > <https://www.linkedin.com/company/midwest-internet-exchange> > <https://twitter.com/mdwestix> > The Brothers WISP <http://www.thebrotherswisp.com/> > <https://www.facebook.com/thebrotherswisp> > > > <https://www.youtube.com/channel/UCXSdfxQv7SpoRQYNyLwntZg> > ------------------------------ > > *From: *"Sean Heskett" <[email protected]> > *To: *"AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group" <[email protected]> > *Sent: *Monday, January 6, 2020 11:54:41 PM > *Subject: *Re: [AFMUG] WISPA email list > > I don’t use the book of face so I’m unfamiliar. > > > > I think wispa should offer every opportunity for us to communicate and not > limit it to just forums. Forums are get for knowledge base/tech support > type stuff because you have a threaded searchable archive. But it’s a > repository of knowledge, not a communications platform for interactive > daily stuff. I check wispa, animal farm and NANOG email lists multiple > times a day. Cambium went to forums which makes sense for a solutions > provider so that they have the searchable database, but I go there maybe > monthly to check for new software or known issues. But I’m not very active > in their community, mostly because I don’t have time to also go login and > check a forum. Email is constantly flowing my way and I interact with it > all throughout the day. > > > > One way to find out I guess is to gather some data. Find out how many > messages are currently being sent and then look at the data after it’s > forums only. My money is on a steep decline in engagement...I know > personally I won’t be on there. Not because I don’t want to be there, but > it’s simply I don’t have the time to add yet another thing to go log into > and check to my daily life. > > > > 2 cents > > > > -Sean > > > > You can catch me on afmug (animal farm) or nanog > > > > On Mon, Jan 6, 2020 at 10:21 PM Daniel White <[email protected]> wrote: > > Yes it is going away to a forum. Personally not a fan myself but demand > seems to be more for forums than the mailing lists. Will also make some of > the committee work that happens easier so I have been told. > > Most of the day to day conversation happens on Facebook anymore... was the > only reason I ever signed up. Not sure what was so wrong about e-mail :-) > > > > [image: photograph] > > > *Daniel White*Co-Founder & Managing Director of Operations > > *phone:* +1 (702) 470-2766 > *direct:* +1 (702) 470-2770 > > Ken Hohhof wrote on 1/6/20 19:10: > > You mean the main members list? Where did you hear it was going away? > > > > *From:* AF <[email protected]> <[email protected]> *On Behalf > Of *[email protected] > *Sent:* Monday, January 6, 2020 7:55 PM > *To:* [email protected] > *Subject:* [AFMUG] WISPA email list > > > > I thought the WISPA email list was going to be shut off. But just now I > got an email. Like to delete my folder once it is defunct. > > > > > > -- > AF mailing list > [email protected] > http://af.afmug.com/mailman/listinfo/af_af.afmug.com > > > -- > AF mailing list > [email protected] > http://af.afmug.com/mailman/listinfo/af_af.afmug.com > > > > -- > AF mailing list > [email protected] > http://af.afmug.com/mailman/listinfo/af_af.afmug.com > > > -- > AF mailing list > [email protected] > http://af.afmug.com/mailman/listinfo/af_af.afmug.com > > -- > AF mailing list > [email protected] > http://af.afmug.com/mailman/listinfo/af_af.afmug.com >
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