Chinas numbers dont matter.
The 300 or so outside china matter, and those numbers are currently of
nearly zero concern since the only ones dying are people who were already
compromised prior to leaving china where they were infected. Aside from the
anticipated infections due to long term confinement in proximity on cruise
ships, there have only been two infections outside china, and those two
were intimate contact. If this were highly contagious, the hundreds of
thousands of airplane passengers that were exposed would have spread this
globally by now. I dont understand why people are still spouting the same
rhetoric today as they were a month ago
This, in the long term may be a very good thing for consumers. Between the
suspicious trade practices, the tariffs, the shipping lead times, etc, Many
manufacturers have to have given serious consideration to alternate
sourcing. 25% tariffs, or zero shipping makes the increase in production
costs much less risky. As production moves to other nations with low labor
costs, the long term pricing prospects will balance out to chinese
manufacturing costs. It will only take one major company to move
manufacturing out to trigger the dominos. If the 4d chess conspiracies have
any merit, its quite possible that the US created the kungflu to force
production out of china.
On Mon, Feb 10, 2020 at 8:29 AM Colin Stanners <cstann...@gmail.com> wrote:
> Can we re-start this thread as OT: as it's no longer strongly related to
> WISP topics? Unless we wish to change the subject to equipment sourcing;
> from my recent communications and attempts it seems like a big part of the
> world's fiber SFPs are manufactured in the Shenzhen region.
>
> My understanding is that a high number of cases / deaths were not being
> diagnosed as the disease as the Wuhan hospitals etc. are extremely
> overloaded and test kits are hard to get / slow - some experts have said
> that the true number of infections could be 100K+ by now.
>
> On Mon, Feb 10, 2020 at 7:58 AM Matt Hoppes <
> mattli...@rivervalleyinternet.net> wrote:
>
>> And Beijing is now on lock down.
>>
>> Still thinking this isn’t something to be concerned about?
>>
>> Chiba knows something they aren’t telling the rest of the world.
>>
>> On Feb 9, 2020, at 10:57 PM, Steve Jones <thatoneguyst...@gmail.com>
>> wrote:
>>
>> I do expect some of the more nefarious vendors to make hay on this
>> though. Just like they did on the tarrifs. Between kung flu and tarriffs,
>> there arensome companies my boss will have to punch me in the mouth if he
>> wants me to buy the gear.
>>
>> On Sun, Feb 9, 2020, 9:54 PM Steve Jones <thatoneguyst...@gmail.com>
>> wrote:
>>
>>> This virus has beennknown at least since early december. It been known
>>> outside china since early january, well outside the 3 to 4 weeks. Still
>>> under 300 outside china. I literally ignore the china numbers, they have
>>> the worst air quality in recorded history on the planet.
>>> Kung flu is less concerning than west Nile, and i dont worry about that
>>> either
>>>
>>> On Sun, Feb 9, 2020, 8:27 PM Matt Hoppes <
>>> mattli...@rivervalleyinternet.net> wrote:
>>>
>>>> It literally takes 3-4 weeks for the virus to peak. We are only just
>>>> finding infected people now.
>>>>
>>>> Give it two more weeks and let’s see where we are.
>>>>
>>>> Remember there is a 14 day incubation phase where the carrier has no
>>>> symptoms but is infectious.
>>>>
>>>> Then the person may become ill for a week or so, then feel better
>>>> before becoming terminal.
>>>>
>>>> The entire timeline is about 4 weeks.
>>>>
>>>> > On Feb 9, 2020, at 9:06 PM, Bill Prince <part15...@gmail.com> wrote:
>>>> >
>>>> > None, zero, have been in the US. One in the Philipines. One in Hong
>>>> Kong. All the rest in China. Only a dozen infections in the US; none fatal
>>>> so far.
>>>> >
>>>> > 10,000 died from the flu in the US. 19 million flu infections in the
>>>> US.
>>>> >
>>>> >
>>>> > bp
>>>> > <part15sbs{at}gmail{dot}com>
>>>> >
>>>> >> On 2/9/2020 3:25 PM, Matt Hoppes wrote:
>>>> >> Let me fix that for you:
>>>> >> Coronavirus: 800 (that have been reported). Many more who have died
>>>> without being tested. Also China marks cause of death as the final reason
>>>> (eg Pneumonia, or Heart Attack).
>>>> >>
>>>> >> So the numbers being reported are not accurate.
>>>> >>
>>>> >>> On Feb 9, 2020, at 5:58 PM, Bill Prince <part15...@gmail.com>
>>>> wrote:
>>>> >>>
>>>> >>> Here is a counterpoint. So far this season, 10,000 people have died
>>>> in the US from the flu. That makes the score flu 10,000, coronavirus 0.
>>>> >>>
>>>> >>>
>>>> https://www.pressenza.com/2020/02/the-flu-has-killed-10000-americans-this-season/
>>>> >>>
>>>> >>> Maybe the appropriate action is (was?) to just get a flu shot.
>>>> >>>
>>>> >>>
>>>> >>> bp
>>>> >>> <part15sbs{at}gmail{dot}com>
>>>> >>>
>>>> >>>> On 2/7/2020 9:40 AM, Matt Hoppes wrote:
>>>> >>>> There have been two fatalities THAT WE KNOW OF. We've only just
>>>> started. It's been an extremely rough flu season here in the U.S.... maybe
>>>> it's not the flu?
>>>> >>>>
>>>> >>>> 2019-nCoV has a 14 week incubation period... meaning spreading is
>>>> happening before people even know it -- thus making this particularly
>>>> dangerous.
>>>> >>>>
>>>> >>>> In about the next two weeks we'll have a much better picture on
>>>> what's going on and what's going to be going on, but on CN and elsewhere
>>>> in the world.
>>>> >>>>
>>>> >>>> The problem right now is it takes 14 days to incubate and about 7
>>>> days to get a report back on a positive/negative test culture, so there is
>>>> a very long lag and we are currently sitting in it.
>>>> >>>>
>>>> >>>> Now I ask you: is the reason there have only been 2 fatalities
>>>> because the health care systems are not yet overwhelmed elsewhere?
>>>> >>>>
>>>> >>>>> On 2/7/20 12:34 PM, Bill Prince wrote:
>>>> >>>>> You don't have to "trust" the Chinese, but you can probably trust
>>>> the reports from everywhere else. The fact is that there have been 2
>>>> fatalities outside of mainland China.
>>>> >>>>>
>>>> >>>>> Just stay away from bat soup.
>>>> >>>>>
>>>> >>>>>
>>>> >>>>> bp
>>>> >>>>> <part15sbs{at}gmail{dot}com>
>>>> >>>>>
>>>> >>>>>> On 2/7/2020 9:00 AM, Matt Hoppes wrote:
>>>> >>>>>> So let me get this straight. A virus that is not a big deal has
>>>> caused China to:
>>>> >>>>>>
>>>> >>>>>> Send the president into hiding
>>>> >>>>>> Build several emergency hospitals
>>>> >>>>>> Lock down major cities
>>>> >>>>>> Extend the CNY
>>>> >>>>>> In some cases barricade people in their homes
>>>> >>>>>> Daily fumigation of streets
>>>> >>>>>> Crematories running 24x7 to burning the dead bodies
>>>> >>>>>> People being forcibly removed from their homes and taken into
>>>> quarantine
>>>> >>>>>> Suspicious deaths around doctors revealing information
>>>> >>>>>> Extreme China censorship even to U. S. online forums
>>>> >>>>>>
>>>> >>>>>> China has also sent out a blank response to their citizens for
>>>> anyone dealing in international trade. If asked how things are going they
>>>> all respond with extremely similar answers about how everything is
>>>> contained in Wuhan and things are fine. Literally down to the same wording
>>>> in cases.
>>>> >>>>>>
>>>> >>>>>> Tell me. What does China know about this “not a big deal Virus”
>>>> that we don’t that they are willing to risk their economy?
>>>> >>>>>>
>>>> >>>>>>> On Feb 7, 2020, at 11:29 AM, Bill Prince <part15...@gmail.com
>>>> <mailto:part15...@gmail.com>> wrote:
>>>> >>>>>>>
>>>> >>>>>>> This thing is being overblown in a big way. First, the fatality
>>>> rate is below 2% (which is pretty low as far as these things go). Second,
>>>> the infectiousness is fairly low as well; somewhere between 1.5 and 3
>>>> (measles by comparison is rated at 15).
>>>> >>>>>>>
>>>> >>>>>>> So the virus is not all that infectious, and it is not all that
>>>> fatal.
>>>> >>>>>>>
>>>> >>>>>>> Fear driven journalism.
>>>> >>>>>>>
>>>> >>>>>>>
>>>> >>>>>>> bp
>>>> >>>>>>> <part15sbs{at}gmail{dot}com>
>>>> >>>>>>>
>>>> >>>>>>>> On 2/7/2020 8:20 AM, Steve Jones wrote:
>>>> >>>>>>>>
>>>> https://gisanddata.maps.arcgis.com/apps/opsdashboard/index.html#/bda7594740fd40299423467b48e9ecf6
>>>> the map
>>>> >>>>>>>>
>>>> >>>>>>>> On Fri, Feb 7, 2020 at 10:19 AM Steve Jones <
>>>> thatoneguyst...@gmail.com <mailto:thatoneguyst...@gmail.com>> wrote:
>>>> >>>>>>>>
>>>> >>>>>>>> this is the Johns Hopkins map
>>>> >>>>>>>> Pretty much all the prediction models of global pandemic
>>>> have
>>>> >>>>>>>> been wrong. Recoveries are out pacing deaths. It hasnt
>>>> spread
>>>> >>>>>>>> outside china beyond the two people who had sex with
>>>> people who
>>>> >>>>>>>> had been infected in china. theyre offloading a cruise
>>>> ship in
>>>> >>>>>>>> New Jersey today apparently so our numbers will have a
>>>> small
>>>> >>>>>>>> jump. Its a 3rd world respiratory illness. chinese air is
>>>> the
>>>> >>>>>>>> dirtiest on the planet.
>>>> >>>>>>>> I have a tool that shipped out of Wuhan a few weeks ago, i
>>>> will
>>>> >>>>>>>> lick it when it gets here and then come breath on people.
>>>> >>>>>>>>
>>>> >>>>>>>> UBNT probably is dropping because theyre not a CBRS LTE
>>>> Player
>>>> >>>>>>>> and theyre kind of stagnant in general right now
>>>> >>>>>>>>
>>>> >>>>>>>> On Fri, Feb 7, 2020 at 10:10 AM Ken Hohhof <
>>>> af...@kwisp.com
>>>> >>>>>>>> <mailto:af...@kwisp.com>> wrote:
>>>> >>>>>>>>
>>>> >>>>>>>> I don’t follow UBNT but I would have to guess it has
>>>> >>>>>>>> something to do with the Wuhan virus and the fact that
>>>> all
>>>> >>>>>>>> their stuff is made in China?
>>>> >>>>>>>>
>>>> >>>>>>>> I have been tempted to post asking if any WISPs are
>>>> starting
>>>> >>>>>>>> to stockpile equipment that might be in short supply
>>>> this
>>>> >>>>>>>> year. I know China will try not to let the virus
>>>> impact
>>>> >>>>>>>> their manufacturing and exports, but it’s hard to see
>>>> how it
>>>> >>>>>>>> won’t. It could also spread to other countries in the
>>>> area
>>>> >>>>>>>> that do a lot of electronic component manufacturing and
>>>> >>>>>>>> assembly work. I have already seen some predictions
>>>> that TV
>>>> >>>>>>>> supplies may be affected.
>>>> >>>>>>>>
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