Re: [AFMUG] OT: More on COVID

Sun, 12 Apr 2020 12:19:26 -0700

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On 4/12/2020 11:52 AM, Ken Hohhof wrote:

Interesting long article in today’s New York Times Sunday magazine on the case of James Cai, a physician’s assistant and the first coronavirus case in New Jersey.

 

Yeah, yeah, yeah, NYT, biased liberal elite east coast mainstream media fake news … get over it, this article is not political.  I am however reading the print version and while I Googled for a link to the online version it might be behind a paywall, or maybe they will let you read a limited number of articles free, I don’t know.

 

https://www.nytimes.com/2020/04/05/magazine/first-coronavirus-patient-new-jersey.html

 

The story leaves you both hopeful and pessimistic.  He got some treatments other than what the hospital wanted to use, but only through extensive intervention from doctor friends and people who read about him online.  He did recover.  Some of the nonstandard treatments may have worked.  But you or I probably wouldn’t have gotten them.  You realize how difficult it is to get something like remdesivir given the approvals needed.  And the push to intubate rather than have you breathe the virus on hospital staff, even if it’s maybe not the best treatment.  And how doctors and hospitals were slow to realize this disease was different.

 

 

From: AF <[email protected]> On Behalf Of Steve Jones
Sent: Saturday, April 11, 2020 10:43 PM
To: AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group <[email protected]>
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] OT: More on COVID

 

Because the fda doesnt approve without the trials, to avoid the liability. It's only approved off label use, hence, zero liability

 

On Sat, Apr 11, 2020, 10:12 PM Robert <[email protected]> wrote:

There is an actual mechanism for the FDA to avoid the liability, it's baked into the system now.  It's how the friends got the treatment approved for their daughters.  

On 4/11/20 4:10 PM, Steve Jones wrote:

The FDA cant take the liability of "approving" anything without full trials. I dont blame them. 

 

We let everyone sue everyone, we did it to ourselves.

 

Same reason Fauci uses code words to say the malaria drug works without saying it works or setting cnn off by agreeing with potus.

 

On Sat, Apr 11, 2020, 3:27 PM Robert <[email protected]> wrote:

I can't believe I am still hearing about "trials" on the pre-existing
ebola treatment.   Doctors are talking about 2/3's of test patients
recovering after 2-3 days after administration. Seems like that would be
a good enough "trial" to start massively treating patients instead of
20% survival..   What the heck is the real story?   I know someone
personally who fought the FDC to get a treatment that extended their
daughters lives for 5 years and it was a nightmare.   The conspiracy
part of me wants to scream...

On 4/11/20 12:50 PM, Ken Hohhof wrote:
> Yeah, I am starting to get annoyed at the obsession with having enough ventilators, describing them as "life saving equipment", leaving the impression that most can be saved if you can just put them on a ventilator.  Yet stats out of NYC are 80% don't survive to come off the ventilator.  And you have to wonder if the 20% who do, did the vent actually save them, or they would have survived even with less aggressive treatment.
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> The news coverage leaves you thinking most of the ICU patients will be saved if there's enough ventilators.  When in reality doctors and nurses are risking their own lives to treat ICU wards full of intubated, sedated patients most of whom will die because they don't have an effective treatment.  Not a pretty story, probably why nobody wants to talk about it.
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> There are trials of various treatments going on, it would be great if some of them turned out to work.  Not necessarily a cure or a vaccine, but a therapy so less people die.
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> From: AF <[email protected]> On Behalf Of Bill Prince
> Sent: Saturday, April 11, 2020 1:57 PM
> To: AFMUG <[email protected]>
> Subject: [AFMUG] OT: More on COVID
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> Saw this in our local paper this morning. It's interesting to me because it's bringing to light the fact that COVID-19 is apparently not what people are dying from, it's the secondary ARDS-like  (Accute Respiratory Distress Syndrome) condition. There is also some debate within the medical community whether ventilators are helping or hurting. Maybe what they need to do is just supply oxygen.
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> If this link doesn't work for you, I can email the article.
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> https://www.mercurynews.com/2020/04/11/when-coronavirus-kills-its-like-death-by-drowning-and-doctors-disagree-on-best-treatment/
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