Imma find your address, I just had to pay 1.99 again for my Tyson thighs.
On Wed, Apr 29, 2020 at 5:39 PM David Coudron <[email protected]> wrote: > You might be right. But I don’t think folks buy the same things. I buy > all of Steve’s chicken thighs for home but rarely order anything in the > restaurant that is made from chicken thighs (that I know of 🙂). I think > folks buy more soup and bread for home than than chicken and steak. But I > haven’t seen the numbers to back that up. Or maybe their whole grocery > bill is shot on toilet paper. > > Get Outlook for iOS <https://aka.ms/o0ukef> > ------------------------------ > *From:* AF <[email protected]> on behalf of Robert < > [email protected]> > *Sent:* Wednesday, April 29, 2020 5:22:10 PM > *To:* [email protected] <[email protected]> > *Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] What Really Happened in Wuhan > > I can't see how restaurants closed make a difference in the overall > consumption as there are the same number of mouths, just different > consumption locations.. > > On 4/29/20 3:00 PM, David Coudron wrote: > > I think the insurance question is a big “it depends”. I know one of the > chicken producers here couldn’t get an any insurance relief since it was a > cancelled contract. The purchaser actually came out and did the > destroying of the chickens. He had no options for recovery, cancelled > contract with no insurable event means lost income, and that is it. The > good news for him was that it was contract growing, so the purchaser paid > for feed, etc. But there are different situations that might be more > insurable. Especially when you aren’t contract raising and you pay for feed > on your own. > > > > I think the take away of this for me is that the disruption from plants > closing is going to mean some kind of meat shortage at the grocery store. > Hopefully the reduction in demand for restaurant based use offsets the > shortage in meat in the supply chain, but I am guessing it won’t fully > cancel the reduction in meat coming from the plants. > > > > Better stock up on chicken thighs and bacon… > > > > Regards, > > > > David Coudron > > *From:* AF <[email protected]> <[email protected]> *On Behalf > Of *Steve Jones > *Sent:* Wednesday, April 29, 2020 4:51 PM > *To:* AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group <[email protected]> <[email protected]> > *Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] What Really Happened in Wuhan > > > > I was listening to a lady talk about it and explaining the assembly line > and how it only operates if all components operate. Its kind of impressive > to see something so massive that requires so many parts to be functioning > having been chugging along all this time without a breakdown. Predicting > how many head will be in demand 3-18 months down the line probably is a > little bit more than farmer jim just guessing, there has to be an amazing > amount of statistical data in play at any given time. Beef guys, a year and > a half ago had no way of seeing this brick coming at their face, hogs 3 > months ago, im guessing saw the writing on the wall with china croaking > off, but they still had 90 days of hogs in the pipe. I cant imagine that, > seeing it coming and knowing that right around the corner youre going to > have to do a major culling. > > > > Anybody know if this is insurable or is it one of those act of god? > > > > On Wed, Apr 29, 2020 at 4:26 PM <[email protected]> wrote: > > Do you do a short or long position. > > Short would be to kill all the little pigs in the assembly line now and > shut it down. Save the adults for the hope you can sell them. > > Long would be kill the adults and keep the assembly line moving. > > > > Glad I don’t have to do that coin toss. I think long is the way to go. > > > > *From:* Lewis Bergman > > *Sent:* Wednesday, April 29, 2020 2:46 PM > > *To:* AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group > > *Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] What Really Happened in Wuhan > > > > I won't claim to know a lot about any ag business but that doesn't make > sense. A full grown animal represents a lot of money in feed. Killing grown > stock to make room for growing stock means you are putting more money into > feed, antibiotics, etc, along with associuated loss percentages. Full grown > loss is less than juvenile loss. Maybe your right, that just isn't the way > the cattle business works. Of course maybe the gestational cycle and time > difference to adulthood makes a difference. > > > > I just know every pound on an animal represents cost so if you are going > to kill something, kill the unproven babies before they cost you more money. > > > > On Wed, Apr 29, 2020 at 3:42 PM <[email protected]> wrote: > > Costs money to feed and take care of them. They have younger ones coming > up through the assembly line that needs the space. > > > > *From:* Adam Moffett > > *Sent:* Wednesday, April 29, 2020 2:35 PM > > *To:* [email protected] > > *Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] What Really Happened in Wuhan > > > > Dumb question, but why would they slaughter them if they can't sell them? > > On 4/29/2020 3:58 PM, David Coudron wrote: > > And so it starts…… ☹ (it might have been happening a while already) > > > > The attached picture is from South Dakota as I understand it, but will be > happening in many locations across the Midwest as large producers deal with > the fact that there is no one buying finished hogs. Taking this much meat > out of the supply chain is certain to show up as shortages in grocery > stores. > > > > Tough to see. > > > > Regards, > > > > David Coudron > > > > *From:* AF mailto:[email protected] <[email protected]> *On > Behalf Of *James Howard > *Sent:* Wednesday, April 29, 2020 2:01 PM > *To:* 'AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group' mailto:[email protected] > <[email protected]> > *Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] What Really Happened in Wuhan > > > > The one I wanted to go to was Hoesly’s Meats in New Glarus. I’m not sure > where we’ll go now. It looks like there are several around the Monroe area > though so maybe I’ll check out one of those. I’m waiting to hear back from > our 4H club’s Beef leader since he knows all the options around here I > guess. > > > > *From:* AF [mailto:[email protected] <[email protected]>] *On > Behalf Of *Mike Hammett > *Sent:* Wednesday, April 29, 2020 12:48 PM > *To:* AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group <[email protected]> > *Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] What Really Happened in Wuhan > > > > Sorry, I meant the butcher. We've used some in southern Wisconsin when our > primary (Eickman's in Seward) was booked up. > > > > ----- > Mike Hammett > Intelligent Computing Solutions <http://www.ics-il.com/> > <https://www.facebook.com/ICSIL> > <https://plus.google.com/+IntelligentComputingSolutionsDeKalb> > <https://www.linkedin.com/company/intelligent-computing-solutions> > <https://twitter.com/ICSIL> > Midwest Internet Exchange <http://www.midwest-ix.com/> > <https://www.facebook.com/mdwestix> > <https://www.linkedin.com/company/midwest-internet-exchange> > <https://twitter.com/mdwestix> > The Brothers WISP <http://www.thebrotherswisp.com/> > <https://www.facebook.com/thebrotherswisp> > > > <https://www.youtube.com/channel/UCXSdfxQv7SpoRQYNyLwntZg> > ------------------------------ > > *From: *"James Howard" <[email protected]> > *To: *"AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group" <[email protected]> > *Sent: *Wednesday, April 29, 2020 12:43:51 PM > *Subject: *Re: [AFMUG] What Really Happened in Wuhan > > For shows? Just our local county fair. “Show” feed is about double the > price of “normal” feed and in the case of pigs, you have to pay more for a > 80lb show pig than it’s worth for meat at 300lbs…… > > > > *From:* AF [mailto:[email protected] <[email protected]>] *On > Behalf Of *Mike Hammett > *Sent:* Wednesday, April 29, 2020 10:53 AM > *To:* AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group <[email protected]> > *Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] What Really Happened in Wuhan > > > > Where do you go to? > > > > ----- > Mike Hammett > Intelligent Computing Solutions <http://www.ics-il.com/> > <https://www.facebook.com/ICSIL> > <https://plus.google.com/+IntelligentComputingSolutionsDeKalb> > <https://www.linkedin.com/company/intelligent-computing-solutions> > <https://twitter.com/ICSIL> > Midwest Internet Exchange <http://www.midwest-ix.com/> > <https://www.facebook.com/mdwestix> > <https://www.linkedin.com/company/midwest-internet-exchange> > <https://twitter.com/mdwestix> > The Brothers WISP <http://www.thebrotherswisp.com/> > <https://www.facebook.com/thebrotherswisp> > > > <https://www.youtube.com/channel/UCXSdfxQv7SpoRQYNyLwntZg> > ------------------------------ > > *From: *"James Howard" <[email protected]> > *To: *"AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group" <[email protected]> > *Sent: *Wednesday, April 29, 2020 10:38:09 AM > *Subject: *Re: [AFMUG] What Really Happened in Wuhan > > I’ve got two show steers that we need to get scheduled for the butcher > shop in August. The place that I’d like to take them 15 minutes from me > says they’re booked through summer of 2021. I think they’re usually booked > 4-6 months out but this is far past that. I’ve heard that others are > starting to get that way too. IF we are able to have a fair, I don’t need > to worry about the pigs since we can’t bring them home from the fair anyway > so they go straight to the butcher from there but if that’s cancelled then > I have 3 of those to figure out too. > > > > I keep feeling like Lloyd Bridges in Airplane. I picked a BAD year to > let the kids start showing steers….. (for anyone not familiar with 4H, > raising and showing steers and pigs at the county fair is NOT a money > making venture) > > > > *From:* AF [mailto:[email protected] <[email protected]>] *On > Behalf Of *Steve Jones > *Sent:* Wednesday, April 29, 2020 10:24 AM > *To:* AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group <[email protected]> > *Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] What Really Happened in Wuhan > > > > Time to get a new butcher, unless its a one man shop. Our 2 meat shops are > 2 weeks out on packages. Like they always have been. > > > > On Wed, Apr 29, 2020 at 9:39 AM Steven Kenney <[email protected]> > wrote: > > Time to get your hunting attire out. > > > > -- > Steven Kenney > Network Operations Manager > WaveDirect Telecommunications > http://www.wavedirect.net > (519)737-WAVE (9283) > > > ------------------------------ > > *From: *"Mike Hammett" <[email protected]> > *To: *"af" <[email protected]> > *Sent: *Wednesday, April 29, 2020 9:15:10 AM > *Subject: *Re: [AFMUG] What Really Happened in Wuhan > > > > Just saw on FB that the butcher we use is booked up through the rest of > the year and aren't taking 2021 appointments until June 1st. > > > > ----- > Mike Hammett > Intelligent Computing Solutions <http://www.ics-il.com/> > <https://www.facebook.com/ICSIL> > <https://plus.google.com/+IntelligentComputingSolutionsDeKalb> > <https://www.linkedin.com/company/intelligent-computing-solutions> > <https://twitter.com/ICSIL> > Midwest Internet Exchange <http://www.midwest-ix.com/> > <https://www.facebook.com/mdwestix> > <https://www.linkedin.com/company/midwest-internet-exchange> > <https://twitter.com/mdwestix> > The Brothers WISP <http://www.thebrotherswisp.com/> > <https://www.facebook.com/thebrotherswisp> > > > <https://www.youtube.com/channel/UCXSdfxQv7SpoRQYNyLwntZg> > ------------------------------ > > *From: *"Ken Hohhof" <[email protected]> > *To: *"AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group" <[email protected]> > *Sent: *Tuesday, April 28, 2020 6:34:16 PM > *Subject: *Re: [AFMUG] What Really Happened in Wuhan > > I recently bought some halal chicken thighs at the grocery store. They > were actually quite good, maybe a little larger than the typical Tyson or > Perdue ones, but more skillfully trimmed. > > > > I suppose there’s no such thing as halal pork, though. > > > > > > *From:* AF <[email protected]> *On Behalf Of *Mike Hammett > *Sent:* Tuesday, April 28, 2020 6:18 PM > *To:* AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group <[email protected]> > *Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] What Really Happened in Wuhan > > > > Our farm recently started to put on a more public-facing presence. It was > slow going at first, but man has it really picked up speed now. If we can > keep 1/2 of the people coming back in a year, we'll be doing great. People > are loving the product. Five star Facebook reviews have been coming in. > > > > > > But yeah, the local butchers to turn the animal into meat were already > backed up. > > > > ----- > Mike Hammett > Intelligent Computing Solutions <http://www.ics-il.com/> > <https://www.facebook.com/ICSIL> > <https://plus.google.com/+IntelligentComputingSolutionsDeKalb> > <https://www.linkedin.com/company/intelligent-computing-solutions> > <https://twitter.com/ICSIL> > Midwest Internet Exchange <http://www.midwest-ix.com/> > <https://www.facebook.com/mdwestix> > <https://www.linkedin.com/company/midwest-internet-exchange> > <https://twitter.com/mdwestix> > The Brothers WISP <http://www.thebrotherswisp.com/> > <https://www.facebook.com/thebrotherswisp> > > > <https://www.youtube.com/channel/UCXSdfxQv7SpoRQYNyLwntZg> > ------------------------------ > > *From: *"David Coudron" <[email protected]> > *To: *"AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group" <[email protected]> > *Sent: *Tuesday, April 28, 2020 6:09:15 PM > *Subject: *Re: [AFMUG] What Really Happened in Wuhan > > I think what he is referring to is that there is an over abundance of the > product available to manufacture/distribute. I grew up as a farm kid and > when we were young, every farmer had pigs, beef cattle (we called them > feeder cattle) and dairy. Now, it has all moved to highly efficient, > large operations. Most farmers can’t make any money as a small dairy or > hog operation, and it is way too much work for what you can make. So > everything consolidated into large, efficient operations. As many know, > they have been dumping milk because they have to milk the cows, they cannot > skip a rotation or the cows get infections (mastitis). Same with the > large pig operations. They have pigs that are mature and have to moved > out of the feed lots/buildings. This is due to the cost of continuing to > feed them, and the need to make room for the smaller ones that are coming > in regardless. So next week back where I grew up, they are starting to > shoot the pigs, and they’ll have to bury them. So what is going to happen > is that we will be killing pigs and burying them, but there will be no meat > on the shelves because of the meat packing plant issue. I supposed it is > more accurately called manufacturing rather than distribution, however, I > might argue feed and water are the raw materials and the growing/finishing > is the manufacturing, it is the long pole in the tent for timing. Meat > packing is a pretty short time period and it is probably manufacturing, but > only the tail end of it. It takes 6-9 months to grow a hog to slaughter > weight, and 3-5 days to get it to your table. > > > > I am not commenting on whether his comments are right or wrong, but my > wager is that in two weeks meat will be the next toilet paper if it isn’t > already. As you said, I am not sure how well that will work to force them > to stay open, but things are going to get very nuts of we have 3-4 weeks of > most meat packing plants being closed. Of course most of the issue will be > over-reaction like the toilet paper thing. > > > > Really sad to see farmers have to destroy finished hogs and stores with no > meat in them. But, like the sheetrock shortage 20 years ago, the > antifreeze shortage 15 years ago, the LCD screen shortage (whenever that > was ) these highly consolidated, highly efficient, low margin supply > chains don’t deal with disruption very well. Not really anyone’s fault, > but tough to see. > > > > Regards, > > > > *David Coudron* > > [email protected] | *Mobile: *612-991-7474 > > > > *Advantenon, Inc. * > > [email protected] | 3500 Vicksburg Lane N, Suite 315, Plymouth, MN > 55447 | www.advantenon.com| *Phone:* 800-704-4720 | *Local: *612-454-1545 > > > > > > > *From:* AF <[email protected]> *On Behalf Of *Ken Hohhof > *Sent:* Tuesday, April 28, 2020 5:47 PM > *To:* 'AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group' <[email protected]> > *Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] What Really Happened in Wuhan > > > > So I was out all day today actually doing work, and now that I’m home I > see this: > > > https://www.msn.com/en-us/news/us/trump-plans-to-order-meat-processing-plants-to-stay-open-during-coronavirus/ar-BB13kBRq > > > > I have no f’ing idea how that’s gonna play out. > > > > Also the article quotes him as saying there’s plenty of supply, it’s a > distribution problem. I have to suspect the reporting got it wrong and he > was talking about milk or green beans or potatoes. Because I would not > refer to a slaughterhouse as “distribution”. > > > > On a semi related note, with all the ethanol plants shutting down because > gas sales are down, why can I still not buy Purell? We should be swimming > in ethanol. > > > > *From:* AF <[email protected]> *On Behalf Of *Mathew Howard > *Sent:* Tuesday, April 28, 2020 5:11 PM > *To:* AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group <[email protected]> > *Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] What Really Happened in Wuhan > > > > "long pig" is different than ordinary pig... > > > > On Tue, Apr 28, 2020, 4:26 PM James Howard <[email protected]> wrote: > > Since when have pigs not been people? > > > > *From:* AF [mailto:[email protected] <[email protected]>] *On > Behalf Of *Ken Hohhof > *Sent:* Tuesday, April 28, 2020 2:57 PM > *To:* 'AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group' <[email protected]> > *Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] What Really Happened in Wuhan > > > > I’m waiting for someone to start a Soylent Green conspiracy theory about > why there are thousands of infections at meat packing plants but we don’t > hear about lots of deaths. > > > > Chuck is safe, though. His Vienna Sausages are new old stock. Made the > old fashioned way, from snouts and feet and tails and everything but the > squeal. But at least they’re not people! > > > > *From:* AF <[email protected]> *On Behalf Of *Steve Jones > *Sent:* Tuesday, April 28, 2020 1:08 PM > *To:* AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group <[email protected]> > *Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] What Really Happened in Wuhan > > > > when my dad was in korea during vietnam, he didnt question the source of > the "beef". but then again, he also drank booze that was made in a pit in > the ground that you had to strain the squiggly live things out of. So im > pretty sure a dog or cat with the kimchi wasnt any isue > > > > On Tue, Apr 28, 2020 at 12:54 PM Steven Kenney <[email protected]> > wrote: > > I've seen some things in China that would scar you for life what they do > to dogs/cats/animals. I guess when you are hungry you'll do anything. > Used to think it was cliche or just a joke about over there. Its not. > > > > -- > Steven Kenney > Network Operations Manager > WaveDirect Telecommunications > http://www.wavedirect.net > (519)737-WAVE (9283) > > > ------------------------------ > > *From: *"James Howard" <[email protected]> > *To: *"af" <[email protected]> > *Sent: *Tuesday, April 28, 2020 12:07:41 PM > *Subject: *Re: [AFMUG] What Really Happened in Wuhan > > > > So you’re saying the cat should have been pictured sitting in a lunch box? > > > > *From:* AF [mailto:[email protected] <[email protected]>] *On > Behalf Of *Steven Kenney > *Sent:* Tuesday, April 28, 2020 10:53 AM > *To:* af <[email protected]> > *Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] OT: What Really Happened in Wuhan > > > > I don't think they keep cats as pets...... > > > > -- > Steven Kenney > Network Operations Manager > WaveDirect Telecommunications > http://www.wavedirect.net > (519)737-WAVE (9283) > > > ------------------------------ > > *From: *"Bill Prince" <[email protected]> > *To: *"af" <[email protected]> > *Sent: *Tuesday, April 28, 2020 10:59:59 AM > *Subject: *Re: [AFMUG] OT: What Really Happened in Wuhan > > > > and Facebook will publish a thousand variations. > > bp > > <part15sbs{at}gmail{dot}com> > > > > On 4/28/2020 7:47 AM, Steve Jones wrote: > > google will remove this truth from the internet > > > > On Tue, Apr 28, 2020 at 9:39 AM Ken Hohhof <[email protected]> wrote: > > Yes! 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