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It looks very attractive. ----- Mike Hammett Intelligent Computing Solutions Midwest Internet Exchange The Brothers WISP ----- Original Message ----- From: fiber...@mail.com To: af@af.afmug.com Sent: Wednesday, May 6, 2020 4:42:00 PM Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Elevation question FYI, Trimble has an RTK receiver with a pay-as-you-go plan. The receiver (Trimble Catalyst DA-1) is $300-$400 and with that you select a plan according to your accuracy needs: 1 centimeter to 1 meter Plans are available in increments from hourly to yearly. The Catalyst is supposedly fairly good compared to it's industrial bigger bredren (less than an inch offset in survery results). You'll need an Android device to use the receiver, as it has no screen. If you want to roll your own RTK solution, then there's a Taiwanese company that will sell you receivers and basestations for a few hundred dollars each. https://www.polaris-gnss.com/ Disclaimer: I haven't used these yet. I have an upcoming mapping project this summer then I might get some quality hands on time. > Sent: Wednesday, May 06, 2020 > From: ch...@wbmfg.com > To: "AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group" <af@af.afmug.com> > Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Elevation question > > $600/year here in Utah... > > -----Original Message----- > From: Mark Radabaugh > Sent: Wednesday, May 6, 2020 9:57 AM > To: AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group > Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Elevation question > > Josh, > > In Ohio ODOT has a statewide RTK system set up that you can get free access > too. It’s accessible over the internet so as long as your GPS receiver can > connect to your phone to make the data connection to the state RTK system > you can use the data. > > ODOT built if for their own use but make it available to the public to use. > I believe in some locations they will set up a 900Mhz or similar repeater > system to broadcast the data but most of the time they just use cellular > data links. > > Mark > > > On May 6, 2020, at 11:37 AM, Brian Webster <i...@wirelessmapping.com> > > wrote: > > > > https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Real-time_kinematic > > > > Real-time kinematic (RTK) positioning is a satellite navigation technique > > used to enhance the precision of position data derived from > > satellite-based positioning systems (global navigation satellite systems, > > GNSS) such as GPS, GLONASS, Galileo, NavIC and BeiDou. It uses > > measurements of the phase of the signal's carrier wave in addition to the > > information content of the signal and relies on a single reference station > > or interpolated virtual station to provide real-time corrections, > > providing up to centimetre-level accuracy.[1] With reference to GPS in > > particular, the system is commonly referred to as carrier-phase > > enhancement, or CPGPS.[2] It has applications in land survey, hydrographic > > survey, and in unmanned aerial vehicle navigation. > > > > > > > > Thank you, > > Brian Webster > > www.wirelessmapping.com > > > > From: AF [mailto:af-boun...@af.afmug.com] On Behalf Of Brian Webster > > Sent: Wednesday, May 6, 2020 11:33 AM > > To: 'AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group' > > Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Elevation question > > > > High end stuff. I never trust any consumer grade GPS device altitude > > readings. I have seen them off by as much as 300 to 400 feet. High end GPS > > devices rely on either a real time data link to ground reference stations > > or they post process the data back at the office. This is a process where > > you time sync your data with the ground reference stations, calculate the > > timing difference based on your location distance from the ground control > > points. The ground control points have a known coordinate and altitude. > > They then compare the GPS readings at their point for those time reference > > points you process against. They calculate the correction factor from the > > GPS against the known point, then also correct your data based on the > > distance/time from the ground station and correct your data. For older GPS > > units you sometimes had to occupy a point for a longer period of time > > based on your distances from the control points. > > > > High end GPS units can also do RTK or real time kinematic data collection. > > This is done by either having a GPS base station controller that is real > > time data linked to ground control stations or that the rover unit has the > > real time data connectivity. They do all the above processing steps in > > real time, no post processing after the field work is done. Depending on > > the equipment and setup, there are time requirements to have the > > instrument on point to achieve the desired level of precision. Depending > > on the type of work, faster systems are desired when you are doing things > > like having to stand in traffic to map every manhole and gas valve. Other > > uses that are slower can be fine if you can leave it on a tri-pod or > > bi-pod for 30 seconds or longer. Slower systems are preferred by workers > > getting paid prevailing wages ;-) > > > > > > Thank you, > > Brian Webster > > www.wirelessmapping.com > > > > From: AF [mailto:af-boun...@af.afmug.com] On Behalf Of Josh Luthman > > Sent: Wednesday, May 6, 2020 11:17 AM > > To: AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group > > Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Elevation question > > > >> local Geoid data set loaded > > > > Is this something most GPS radios would have? Or just higher end ones? > > > > > > Josh Luthman > > Office: 937-552-2340 > > Direct: 937-552-2343 > > 1100 Wayne St > > Suite 1337 > > Troy, OH 45373 > > > > > > On Wed, May 6, 2020 at 10:36 AM Brian Webster <i...@wirelessmapping.com> > > wrote: > > OK here is what I learned from my brother. > > > > You want to use the Geoid values, however you also want to make sure you > > have the Geoid model loaded in to your Trimble R8 GPS. (for those not > > paying attention that is a survey grade instrument with cm accuracy). > > The geoid numbers are tied to the map projection you are using and they > > are also tied to the GPS ground stations you are connected to 9necessary > > for the cm grade accuracy). The Ellipsoid values assume that the earth is > > perfectly/mathematically round. Geoid values correct for the fact that it > > is not perfectly round and the reason why your GPS needs the local Geoid > > data set loaded before you take readings. You do have the Geoid data for > > your area loaded don’t you? > > > > For radio mobile you will want to use the Geoid height converted to > > meters. > > > > Is there LIDAR data for the area in question? It might be easier just to > > use a value from that. Might also be nice to convert the LIDAR to a file > > format for Radio Mobile and use all that data (going to need a lot of disk > > space though). > > > > Thank you, > > Brian Webster > > www.wirelessmapping.com > > > > From: AF [mailto:af-boun...@af.afmug.com] On Behalf Of ch...@wbmfg.com > > Sent: Tuesday, May 5, 2020 2:12 PM > > To: af@af.afmug.com > > Subject: [AFMUG] Elevation question > > > > I have a pretty good GPS receiver. Trimble R8 with a Yuma data collector. > > Normally we use it only for lats and longs. > > It is corrected in real time with a cellular data modem and a RTK/VRS > > ground station network. > > > > Yesterday we did a shot from a hill that did not exist when shuttle radar > > data was taken. It was way off in elevation. > > So we took a shot from our parking lot and compared it with what we think > > we know to be the altitude as well as our cell phones and google earth. > > > > Turns out the R8 has an ellipsoid height as well as another height > > associated with the northing and easting values. > > The second one seems to be more in line with what I was expecting. > > The local dealer sent me a drawing showing this. (attached) > > > > So now I am super confused. Not sure what number to use when working with > > Radio Mobile. Do I add the geoid height to the ellipsoid height? > > > > Was hoping Brian Webster may know or others may know. Googling google > > earth elevation talks about different versions of geoid. Not sure if > > their elevations are geoid elevations or not. > > > > So, rather than dig into it any more I am taking the lazy approach and > > posting the question here. > > -- > > AF mailing list > > AF@af.afmug.com > > http://af.afmug.com/mailman/listinfo/af_af.afmug.com > > > > > > -- > > AF mailing list > > AF@af.afmug.com > > http://af.afmug.com/mailman/listinfo/af_af.afmug.com > > > -- > AF mailing list > AF@af.afmug.com > http://af.afmug.com/mailman/listinfo/af_af.afmug.com > > > -- > AF mailing list > AF@af.afmug.com > http://af.afmug.com/mailman/listinfo/af_af.afmug.com > -- AF mailing list AF@af.afmug.com http://af.afmug.com/mailman/listinfo/af_af.afmug.com
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