Virtualization of core network.  I can run a number of MT CHR's on a single
box (and with redundancy at both the hypervisor layer and L3).  For
example, I have a pair of vSphere boxes each with a CHR for customer
aggregation, one for a BGP route reflector and another doing some other
misc stuff.  These boxes have 4-6 10Gbps interfaces that I can share
between all of the CHR VM's.

Driver development is also on CHR, not on MIkrotik X86.

On Wed, May 20, 2020 at 6:17 PM Nate Burke <[email protected]> wrote:

> So Obviously I haven't had the need to run CHR, but I'm trying to figure
> out why you need it.  Why bother to put Mikrotik in a VM instead of
> dedicated hardware?  I'm not being difficult, I'm just trying to understand
> why this is a thing.  Specifically for routing to hosts inside a VM
> Architecture, or are you virtualizing your core network routing.
>
> On 5/20/2020 4:31 PM, Mathew Howard wrote:
>
> That's what I was thinking... I could see doing snapshots if you were
> using CHR on a more advanced VM setup, but I can't imagine why you'd bother
> with that on something like the Maxxwave that we're talking about here.
>
> On Wed, May 20, 2020 at 2:07 PM Mark - Myakka Technologies <
> [email protected]> wrote:
>
>> Josh,
>>
>> Why is this an issue?  I'm working on a CHR VMWARE test box now.  What
>> is the purpose of the snapshot?  Why not just use the backup/export
>> features of mikrotik for your backup?  Won't you have a generic VM/CHR
>> router siting on the shelf ready to go as backup.  Fire it up and reload
>> the configuration with the mikrotik tools.  That is what I'm doing now
>> with my routerboards. Â
>>
>>
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>> Mark                             <[email protected]>
>> mailto:[email protected] <[email protected]>
>>
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>> www.Myakka.com
>>
>> ------
>>
>> Wednesday, May 20, 2020, 2:29:04 PM, you wrote:
>>
>>
>> Depends on your backup tool.  I'm using ghettoVCB and it would
>> definitely be an interruption - really bad for stateful things.
>>
>> Keep in mind you're only backing up a vmdisk with maybe 128 megabytes.
>>
>> Josh Luthman
>> Office: 937-552-2340
>> Direct: 937-552-2343
>> 1100 Wayne St
>> Suite 1337
>> Troy, OH 45373
>>
>> On Wed, May 20, 2020 at 9:55 AM Steven Kenney < <[email protected]>
>> [email protected]> wrote:
>>
>> Most backup tools are agnostic.  They use Vmwares' functions to do the
>> backups and the vmware tools to either quiesce the file system, create
>> deltas etc.  The process in how it is done is similar across all
>> platforms, Veeam Acronis, Nakivo etc.  The performance is dependent on how
>> well the hardware performs.  For example I have one server that isn't very
>> large on the same host as a server that is a massive moving target (non
>> stop writing/reading).  One will backup much faster than the other
>> depending on the storage capabilities, network capabilities .. overall the
>> hardware capabilities.  If I moved both servers to a new host with better
>> hardware, faster network, Â the backups times and performance would
>> increase on both.  To the point where possibly there is no disruption for
>> either server.
>>
>> The question is whether or not people have done virtual backups on CHR's
>> without disruptions, specifically on this Maxxwave. Â
>>
>> HA (high availability) has nothing to do with this scenario.  The CHR
>> would have to be non responsive for quite a long time without any other
>> processes still taking place to it (the entire backup process would have
>> had to have crashed).  For me HA only works if a server is down on 1 host,
>> it'll bring it up on another host.  It won't bring up copies of VM's if a
>> backup is taking a while. Â  If any backup takes that long I'd never use it
>> as a router. Â
>>
>> Now there is proactive HA - but that is a recipe for disaster when
>> running routers.  DRS as well is part of that equation and I wouldn't
>> recommend that either for a router.  It could possibly be a switching
>> nightmare unless you have the higher end vsphere setup with vswitches and
>> virtual networking.  I'm just running standard Vsphere. Â
>>
>> I think though Mikrotik CHR's are pretty lightweight compared to some
>> servers.  Most can be contained in memory with little disk IO so snapshots
>> and commits will be quick.  The question was if any customers use the
>> Maxxwave and how it performs with backups/snapshots.
>>
>> Also I reviewed the spec sheet and it does show support for larger than
>> 10Gbps. Â
>>
>>
>> --
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>> Network Operations Manager
>> WaveDirect Telecommunications
>> http://www.wavedirect.net
>> (519)737-WAVE (9283)
>>
>> ------------------------------
>> *From: *"Josh Luthman" < <[email protected]>
>> [email protected]>
>> *To: *"af" < <[email protected]>[email protected]>
>> *Sent: *Wednesday, May 20, 2020 9:22:04 AM
>> *Subject: *Re: [AFMUG] CCR2004 coming out
>>
>> Your backup lag/performance is your backup tool.  If you do a snapshot
>> and copy, that will mostly halt your system until it can set aside a
>> temporary disk.  If you do HA it won't cause any delay.
>>
>> Josh Luthman
>> Office: 937-552-2340
>> Direct: 937-552-2343
>> 1100 Wayne St
>> Suite 1337
>> Troy, OH 45373
>>
>> On Wed, May 20, 2020 at 8:51 AM Steven Kenney < <[email protected]>
>> [email protected]> wrote:
>>
>> I remember seeing these several years ago.  Anyone know if they have
>> support coming for faster than 10Gbps? Anyone run these in an actual
>> vsphere environment?  How are snapshots and backups for it?  Any lag or
>> performance hits during the process? Â
>>
>> --
>> Steven Kenney
>> Network Operations Manager
>> WaveDirect Telecommunications
>> http://www.wavedirect.net
>> (519)737-WAVE (9283)
>>
>> ------------------------------
>> *From: *"Kurt Fankhauser" < <[email protected]>
>> [email protected]>
>> *To: *"af" < <[email protected]>[email protected]>
>> *Sent: *Friday, May 15, 2020 11:02:28 AM
>> *Subject: *Re: [AFMUG] CCR2004 coming out
>>
>> Baltic does not have any native x86 Mikrotik Router. They are using CHR
>> on the Maxxwave Vengence appliance, which works remarkably well.
>>
>> On Wed, May 13, 2020 at 9:52 AM Josh Luthman <
>> <[email protected]>[email protected]> wrote:
>>
>> Baltic seems to be the go to for x86 Mikrotik.  He seems to always be on
>> top of it.
>>
>> Josh Luthman
>> Office: 937-552-2340
>> Direct: 937-552-2343
>> 1100 Wayne St
>> Suite 1337
>> Troy, OH 45373
>>
>> On Tue, May 12, 2020 at 3:13 PM Kurt Fankhauser <
>> <[email protected]>[email protected]> wrote:
>>
>> I will second the Baltic Networks Vengence 2 CHR. Has been nothing but
>> totally reliable since we got one in January. Only pushing about 1.5gbps
>> through it though, but BGP converge times are insanely fast and it was darn
>> near the same cost as a CCR1072.
>>
>> On Tue, May 12, 2020 at 12:25 PM James Howard < <[email protected]>
>> [email protected]> wrote:
>>
>> Yeah, there seems to be is the key……  I did that with the last one
>> and had some compatibility issues with the SFP+ cards and didn’t really
>> end up saving any money over buying one already put together. Â
>>
>> *From:* AF [mailto: <[email protected]>[email protected]] *On
>> Behalf Of *Adam Moffett
>> *Sent:* Tuesday, May 12, 2020 11:13 AM
>> *To: * <[email protected]>[email protected]
>> *Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] CCR2004 coming out
>>
>> I'd imagine you can source a pretty burly network appliance PC from
>> somewhere.  There seem to be dozens of options.
>>
>> On 5/12/2020 11:57 AM, James Howard wrote:
>>
>> Baltic says they aren’t sure when they’re going to get the Maxxwave
>> in again.  We have one of the Maxxwave i7s and would just get more if they
>> were available.  I was hoping Dennis would reply.  They don’t seem to
>> list the PowerRouter that they used to sell on their site anymore.
>>
>> *From:* AF [ <[email protected]>mailto:[email protected]
>> <[email protected]>] *On Behalf Of *Ken Hohhof
>> *Sent:* Tuesday, May 12, 2020 10:45 AM
>> *To:* 'AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group' <[email protected]>
>> <[email protected]> <[email protected]>
>> *Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] CCR2004 coming out
>>
>> Baltic/Maxxwave has one, but their web store shows out of stock, is it
>> actually discontinued?  Linktechs might have one, if you don’t want to
>> build your own.
>>
>> *From:* AF < <[email protected]>[email protected]> *On
>> Behalf Of *James Howard
>> *Sent:* Tuesday, May 12, 2020 10:17 AM
>> *To:* 'AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group' < <[email protected]>
>> [email protected]>
>> *Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] CCR2004 coming out
>>
>> So what is awesome and available now?  We had an i7 box (network
>> appliance I guess) running Mikrotik take a dump so we need to get another
>> backup (or two).  Nobody seems to have i7 based Mikrotik boxes
>> available.  BGP is a must.  We’re running CHR on our current boxes.
>>
>> *From:* AF [ <[email protected]>mailto:[email protected]
>> <[email protected]>] *On Behalf Of *Dennis Burgess via AF
>> *Sent:* Tuesday, May 12, 2020 9:51 AM
>> *To:* AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group < <[email protected]>[email protected]
>> >
>> *Cc:* Dennis Burgess < <[email protected]>[email protected]>
>> *Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] CCR2004 coming out
>>
>> I would not expect it to be "AWSOME" till v7....
>>
>>
>>
>> Dennis Burgess
>>
>> Mikrotik : Trainer, Network Associate, Routing Engineer, Wireless
>> Engineer, Traffic Control Engineer, Inter-Networking Engineer, Security
>> Engineer, Enterprise Wireless Engineer
>> Hurricane Electric: IPv6 Sage Level
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>>
>> Author of "Learn RouterOS- Second Edition"
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>> Office: 314-735-0270 Â Website: <http://www.linktechs.net>
>> http://www.linktechs.net
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>> -----Original Message-----
>> From: AF < <[email protected]%3e>[email protected]> On
>> Behalf Of [email protected]
>> Sent: Monday, May 11, 2020 11:51 PM
>> To: <[email protected]>[email protected]
>> Subject: Re: [AFMUG] CCR2004 coming out
>>
>> Surprisingly bad BGP results from the CCR2004
>> <https://forum.mikrotik.com/viewtopic.php?f=3&t=161044>
>> https://forum.mikrotik.com/viewtopic.php?f=3&t=161044
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