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On Fri, Aug 7, 2020 at 11:19 AM <[email protected]> wrote:

> Yeah...  it is embarrassing...
>
> *From:* Lewis Bergman
> *Sent:* Friday, August 7, 2020 9:56 AM
> *To:* AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group
> *Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] [SPAM] Re: COVID Exposure and the real world
>
> By the way, you have a garage with more than one level? Can you park cars
> on both? Is one like a big open room for grandkids? I am curious what the
> Utah Elite home trends are these days.
>
> On Fri, Aug 7, 2020 at 10:25 AM <[email protected]> wrote:
>
>> Nice.  I see one on Ebay for $1400 but the rest start at $4000 and go up
>> to $100K.
>>
>> *From:* Lewis Bergman
>> *Sent:* Friday, August 7, 2020 9:03 AM
>> *To:* AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group
>> *Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] [SPAM] Re: COVID Exposure and the real world
>>
>> A friend of mine just put this in his new house. I think you need a few.
>>
>>
>>
>> On Fri, Aug 7, 2020 at 8:55 AM Chuck McCown <[email protected]> wrote:
>>
>>> I actually do have what you could call a bunker.  That is what my
>>> neighbors call it.  Underground room off a tunnel that connects my house
>>> basement with my garage lower level.  Like to find a fancy old bank vault
>>> door for it.  I told my kids that when I croak they will find it stuffed
>>> floor to ceiling with toilet paper.
>>>
>>> Sent from my iPhone
>>>
>>> On Aug 7, 2020, at 6:45 AM, Ken Hohhof <[email protected]> wrote:
>>>
>>> 
>>>
>>> If the weather stayed like it’s been this week, you could just put a
>>> comfy chair out on the lawn for her.
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> My neighbors got some sort of tentlike gazebo thing.  It’s probably just
>>> a gazebo, but I’ve wondered if it’s a quarantine hut in case one of them
>>> gets infected.
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> Chuck could quarantine in his Vienna Sausage bunker.
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> *From:* AF <[email protected]> *On Behalf Of *Steve Jones
>>> *Sent:* Friday, August 7, 2020 12:06 AM
>>> *To:* AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group <[email protected]>
>>> *Subject:* [SPAM] Re: [AFMUG] COVID Exposure and the real world
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> You geeks are pretty smart.
>>>
>>> I was thinking, there's nothing stopping me from making her room and our
>>> upstairs bathroom negative pressure rooms with some 6 inch duct and duct
>>> fans in a plywood and styrofoam cutout in the window. If I put a hepa
>>> furnace filter on and a baffle it should keep any heat and bugs out of the
>>> house. May help keep our upstairs cooler blowing heat out and drawing cool
>>> air up from downstairs. Laying the duct to the floor should cause down
>>> draft and get any potential airborne bugs out of the air.
>>>
>>> I'm thinking if I run humidifiers it should give any covid creatures
>>> something weighty to attach to.
>>>
>>> My 15 year old opted to go stay with my neice because I gave him and the
>>> 12 year old girl the current known political statistics and let them define
>>> their own risk tolerance. If wife doesnt get symptomatic I'm letting him go
>>> through with his baptism Sunday since he wont be exposed when she would
>>> become contagious. But then again, church is the only place it spreads.
>>>
>>> The girl opted to stay
>>>
>>> The two littles dont have brain pan capacity to decide, since neither of
>>> them talk yet.
>>>
>>> The fat baby is still on boob juice and CDC and who political
>>> recommendations are to continue breast feeding but for mom to wear a
>>> mask... odd to see common sense prevail from either of those places.
>>>
>>> Probably making a poor choice somewhere in all this but when you're
>>> offered the option of a shit sandwich or a turd burger, the outcomes wont
>>> be all that different.
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> Boss was pretty cool, we are on the same page as far as risk exposure
>>> and mitigation at work. This wont be her last exposure at work, though I
>>> hope it's the last high risk one. And if she does test positive, then we
>>> dont have to worry about them anymore. If I catch it and dont croak out
>>> then we are riding on the golden ticket. We are both smokers and apparently
>>> this particular disease that's a good thing since the vascular impact is
>>> mitigated by our constant constriction, no covid toe for us.
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> Looked like a hypochondriac at the store stocking up on vitamins for 3
>>> age ranges and normal cold/flu meds for 3 age ranges. Learning a ton about
>>> vitamin D, C, potassium and Zinc tolerances. This sucks because something
>>> in multivitamins cause me to get tinitus so the ringing will start here in
>>> a couple days. But at least we will walk away in the habit of adjuncting
>>> with vitamins. Probably something we should have been doing all along.
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> I'm guessing if I werent treating this like any disaster mitigation at
>>> work I'd be freaking out like the wife. Hopefully I dont get to the point I
>>> have it handled and have time to sit and think. Might result in a bit of a
>>> brain bubble.
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> Going to find out shortly just how accurate the "experts" are. Should be
>>> an interesting week. According to CNN, since we are a right leaning
>>> household, we are all going to die because of our guns.
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> On Thu, Aug 6, 2020, 11:34 PM Steve Jones <[email protected]>
>>> wrote:
>>>
>>> This guy is a definite initial false negative. It technically wasn't an
>>> initial rule out, it was a confirmation test, that's why the doc
>>> immediately ordered second test. Since my initial post there's been a lot
>>> of policy activity at the facility. A lot of staff exposure occurred.
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> On Thu, Aug 6, 2020, 4:56 PM Matt Hoppes <
>>> [email protected]> wrote:
>>>
>>> Keep in mind that that could be a false positive as well there are a lot
>>> of both false negatives and false positives on the test. Unless they
>>> perform several more tests you will never know for sure.
>>>
>>> > On Aug 6, 2020, at 4:06 PM, Steve Jones <[email protected]>
>>> wrote:
>>> >
>>> > 
>>> > So, the wife has a good probability of infection. She works at a
>>> hospital as PCT (used to be CNA before PC). Patient came in with high
>>> likelihood of COVID, Isolation protocols were put in place, initial test
>>> came back negative, they pulled precautions. Still using basic surgical
>>> masks and gloves (says right on box that it doesnt stop COVID-19). Patient
>>> is on assistive ventilation, aerosolized secretions.
>>> > Doctor snaps and orders new test, of course it comes back positive.
>>> > So now multiple staff are exposed, the bad kind with aerosolized
>>> secretions, thats the healthcare exposure they warn about.
>>> > Of course today the hospital changes policy to mandatory eye
>>> protection (bit late knuckleheads)
>>> > inept
>>> >
>>> > I could co on about how pissed I am about this, and the fact that
>>> theyre not offering testing to exposed employees, and that the WHO
>>> recommendation is healthcare staff continue coming into work until they
>>> show symptoms, and the fact that staff wear the same mask for 12 hours and
>>> are scolded if they want to change them even though mask production is
>>> sufficient to support anything that comes at healthcare now. but thats a
>>> whole other rant.
>>> >
>>> > Moving forward we are treating the household as probably infected.
>>> Sons baptism sunday is postponed. But trying to figure timelines and how to
>>> handle exposure risks at my job. Trying to read up on all the current
>>> politically motivated data is a joke. Best I can tell is transmissibility
>>> minimum is 3 days, based on the newest harvard study. So assuming wife did
>>> get it, we have 3 days from initial exposure for her to infect me and 3
>>> days after that that in transmissible, so working on a minimum  6 day
>>> window until I have to shut down contact.
>>> >
>>> > I already notified everybody that If I come in for anything (primarily
>>> working remote anyway) that ill be masked and gloved (lol, cloth masks from
>>> her insurance provider) and wont be within 6 feet of anybody.
>>> >
>>> > After the 6 days until she is cleared, I wont be making in person
>>> contact with anyone. If I enter the office, masked and gloved, sanitize
>>> everything as i come out. We already have staff separation, with different
>>> entrances for everyone. No one inside at the same time as me, ill try to
>>> limit in office to after hours. Any equipment I touch will be masked and
>>> gloved, will be placed in out non air conditioned garage (gets hot) for 24
>>> hours before any other staff touches it and will be sanitized.
>>> >
>>> > My site work (assuming no positive tests or symptoms in my house) will
>>> be limited to me only and exterior work only, unmanned locations only, If
>>> any at risk climbing is required of me, a second ground 911 man present, in
>>> vehicle only. I I have to supervise any work, It will be from an isolated
>>> location. Any site area I am in is not to be entered for 24 hours.
>>> >
>>> > Any symptoms or positive tests in my house and we go on full
>>> quarantine.
>>> >
>>> > Ive made it abundantly clear that I think this whole thing is blown
>>> out of proportion, the masks are nothing more than something to make people
>>> feel like theyre doing something, even though theyre really not effective
>>> and come fall theyll be massive bacterial breeding grounds. But there is
>>> due diligence, and I think this plan of attack is pretty reasonable. It
>>> mitigates any risk while allowing us to maintain productivity (assuming no
>>> symptoms or positive tests). It feels like its something with minimal major
>>> company impact and id easy to replicate given that my spouse works in
>>> healthcare and this likely wont be the last high risk exposure. But I still
>>> am not matt hoppes level.
>>> >
>>> > At this time, I havent had any "exposure" but there is a probable
>>> looming exposure. I'm personally relieved that its probably in my house
>>> now, and we have time to prepare for the inevitable. Im high risk because
>>> of COPD, so theres that, but Ive already made right with that. Id rather
>>> just get it over with, I had planned to get exposed a while back to get
>>> past it but got that plan taken out from under me.
>>> >
>>> > We may "luck out" and this exposure was a near miss, but if
>>> transmissibility is anywhere near what the politics say it is, this ones
>>> all but certain.
>>> >
>>> > I think the 6 day window is a logical one to increase precautions
>>> until we are past it. I think the non contact addresses any risk to
>>> coworkers. I think the timeframe between shared surface/inventory contact
>>> is reasonable and "science based". and after 14 days from the last exposure
>>> (she was exposed over two consecutive 12 hour shifts) is a good window for
>>> increased precautions to be in play, with a review and swap test at the
>>> drive through site nearby.
>>> >
>>> > anybody but matt have any thoughts on this plan. I really think its
>>> more than what is actually needed, but meets the abundance of caution
>>> threshold
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