Plebs just dont understand the struggle On Thu, Aug 27, 2020, 8:52 AM Ken Hohhof <[email protected]> wrote:
> Dropping from 4096QAM to 2048 or 1024 is a first world problem. > > > > > > *From:* AF <[email protected]> *On Behalf Of *Steve Jones > *Sent:* Thursday, August 27, 2020 8:33 AM > *To:* AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group <[email protected]> > *Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] Upstream Bandwidth Question > > > > I have a link I'm considering like that right now. 4096 has like 27 days > annual out but I still stay over a gig. > > It brings a ring in and still is better thanni get on my ptp650 and force > 200 link > > > > On Wed, Aug 26, 2020, 4:23 PM Ken Hohhof <[email protected]> wrote: > > It depends on the frequency and duration of fiber cuts / outages. I used > to think reliability was everything. Lately, customers whine about > bandwidth constantly. If there is a several hour outage once or twice a > year, they whine a little and then forget it. But speed is at the top of > the hierarchy of needs, above things like food and sex. > > > > Actually I am adapting this from my approach to licensed links. I used to > think every link had to be designed for 5 nines (while realizing that with > climate change that probably got us 4 nines IRL). So if I couldn’t find an > intermediate point, or use 6 ft dishes, I’d do things like use a 30 MHz > channel width to get a little incremental system gain. Now I will go for > the most capacity on every link, figuring more bandwidth 363 days a year > was more important than 15 minutes of downtime 2 days a year. And if I > don’t need all that capacity today, I’ll need it in the near future. The > need for speed is not going away. > > > > > > *From:* AF <[email protected]> *On Behalf Of * > [email protected] > *Sent:* Wednesday, August 26, 2020 4:07 PM > *To:* AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group <[email protected]> > *Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] Upstream Bandwidth Question > > > > I prefer multiple ingress/egress points. You could have 100 different > upstreams but if they go across one fiber line, you are screwed. > > > > On Wed, Aug 26, 2020 at 4:50 PM Mike Hammett <[email protected]> wrote: > > I'm always in favor of more diversity. I'd go with an additional > wavelength, even if it's out of the same POP you're already in, just going > somewhere else (and is diverse as possible, when using a single POP. > > > > Bigger pipes going to the same places (assuming the small pipes are > sufficient to handle what you need) just isn't as good of a design. > > > > > > ----- > Mike Hammett > Intelligent Computing Solutions <http://www.ics-il.com/> > <https://www.facebook.com/ICSIL> > <https://plus.google.com/+IntelligentComputingSolutionsDeKalb> > <https://www.linkedin.com/company/intelligent-computing-solutions> > <https://twitter.com/ICSIL> > Midwest Internet Exchange <http://www.midwest-ix.com/> > <https://www.facebook.com/mdwestix> > <https://www.linkedin.com/company/midwest-internet-exchange> > <https://twitter.com/mdwestix> > The Brothers WISP <http://www.thebrotherswisp.com/> > <https://www.facebook.com/thebrotherswisp> > > > <https://www.youtube.com/channel/UCXSdfxQv7SpoRQYNyLwntZg> > ------------------------------ > > *From: *"Mark - Myakka Technologies" <[email protected]> > *To: *[email protected] > *Sent: *Wednesday, August 26, 2020 1:32:46 PM > *Subject: *[AFMUG] Upstream Bandwidth Question > > We are starting to get close enough on upstream bandwidth, where I > need to start thinking about getting some more. > > Currently we have two 10G ports going to two different data centers. > With the internet connections, IX links and current hardware, I can > pull about 8GB max from each port. Currently in peak times we pull a > total of about 4-5 gbps on one line and about 3-4 gbps on the other. > It is manageable now, until an upstream goes down during peak times. > That has only happened once and it was a bit dicey. > > The question is which would be "better"? > > A. Upgrade the two pipes to 20/40/100G whatever is the standard now. > Buy new hardware to handle the new speeds needed. > > B. Build out a 9 mile fiber run to a possible POP where I can > possibly grab some dark fiber or at least another 10G and run to a > possible 3rd data center. > > I personally like B, being I can push upgrading the other two links > down the road. This is a rural area, but a state road, so the fiber > install won't be cheap. However, I can possibly pick up 10-15 > customers along the way with the possibility of getting more as things > build out. > > Currently the two upstreams balance themselves out. I don't > have any fancy code doing load balancing. If I add a third to the > mix, I'm not sure how well they will balance out. > > Just trying to figure out pros and cons of each. > > > -- > > Thanks, > Mark mailto:[email protected] > > Myakka Technologies, Inc. > www.Myakka.com > > > -- > AF mailing list > [email protected] > http://af.afmug.com/mailman/listinfo/af_af.afmug.com > > > > -- > AF mailing list > [email protected] > http://af.afmug.com/mailman/listinfo/af_af.afmug.com > > -- > AF mailing list > [email protected] > http://af.afmug.com/mailman/listinfo/af_af.afmug.com > > -- > AF mailing list > [email protected] > http://af.afmug.com/mailman/listinfo/af_af.afmug.com >
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