The only thing I hate On a host is the Percs I wish Dell would alert or something to notify of a failing drive.

On 9/28/20 10:18 AM, Mike Hammett wrote:
I'm not a CEPH exert, but that is my understanding of it at a high level.



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*From: *"Lewis Bergman" <lewis.berg...@gmail.com>
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I would assume CEPH takes the physical disks from each host and combines them into one logical storage for use by the entire cluster?

On Mon, Sep 28, 2020 at 7:39 AM Mike Hammett <af...@ics-il.net <mailto:af...@ics-il.net>> wrote:

    CEPH kind of fills the void where you don't need a dedicated,
    shared storage box.



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    If you're going to have multiple physical VM hosts then fast
    shared storage is very helpful. When you want to reboot a physical
    machine for OS upgrade and the VM's are on shared storage then you
    can migrate them off that box in a few seconds.   Do your
    maintenance, reboot, migrate VM's back.  No downtime.

    On 9/27/2020 11:43 AM, Lewis Bergman wrote:

        Thanks guys. Proxmox didn't even come up in my searches. I'll
        look into it. If anyone really knows the space and wouldn't
        mind spending 15 minutes discussing what we need I would
        appreciate it.

        On Sun, Sep 27, 2020, 10:21 AM Bill Prince
        <part15...@gmail.com <mailto:part15...@gmail.com>> wrote:

            VMs are a great way to go depending on the job(s) you need
            to do. As it happens a lot of jobs (e.g. DNS) are not
            particularly compute intensive, so it's a great way to
            stretch resources. We find we can run 3 or 4 virtual
            machines on each physical machine.

            We used VMware from the get-go, but did not get many of
            the paid-for bells and whistles. VMware can become pretty
            expensive, where other solutions (e.g. Proxmox) has an
            advantage because of open source.

            The other consideration is containers, which can be
            thought of as VM-lite. Containers provide almost all of
            the advantages of VMs with a significantly lighter load on
            the hardware. As a result, you can load up more
            applications on less hardware. The leading contender in
            the container space is Kubernetes and it's also open source.

            Pick your poison with someone you know who can go over
            your requirements.


            bp
            <part15sbs{at}gmail{dot}com>

            On 9/27/2020 7:27 AM, Lewis Bergman wrote:

                I have decided I needed to get on the VM train. I
                know, I am only 15 years behind. Honestly, till now I
                haven't had a compelling reason.

                I want something that will at least do some monitoring
                of VM's, backups, snapshots, etc. Managed upgrading
                would be great but not as big a priority for me (at
                least I don't think so).

                Since I don't know what I don't know, I am asking the
                experienced crowd.

                It seems the two real choices are VMWare and Zen. Are
                there others? Commercial support seems nice, is it
                worth paying for? What I will run is important for sure.

                I spent a few hours last night and I more confused now
                than when I started.



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