I have 13 mS to google.
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From: fiber...@mail.com
Sent: Tuesday, November 3, 2020 10:32 AM
To: af@af.afmug.com
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Starlink latency highly variable - up to 120 ms
I don't know about *anybody* who has 40 ms in-home latency. Normal in-home
latency is measured in milliseconds. The WAN latency absolutely dwarfs that.
Starlink's latency is an order of magnitude larger than in-home latency.
Obviously this is a matter of interest when evaluating the big picture.
Adding to that, the user can affect in-home latency, but not so much with
WAN latency.
These are just facts, not opinions.
Anyway, Starlink may even end up overdelivering on bandwidth if all goes
well. However, they overpromise and underdeliver on latency. Which I think
is a shame. It would have been much better to give realistic figures,
especially as there is quite high variability. I guess the pressure is
really high to make that FCC 100 ms cut.
Starlink will find many takers, no doubt. As to the FCC, I will freely admit
my bias against Starlink. I don't think Starlink should under *any*
circumstances get *any* subsidies. Other than that, I wish them well. From a
purely technological standpoint I find Starlink extremely cool.
Jared
From: "Ken Hohhof" <af...@kwisp.com>
To: "'AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group'" <af@af.afmug.com>
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Starlink latency highly variable - up to 120 ms
We're obsessing over the wide area latency even though it goes to space
and
back, but the in-home latency is not much less and nobody every seems to
worry about it.
Other than the occasional diehard gamer, nobody "hardwires" their devices
anymore, it's all WiFi.
Another way of saying the Starlink numbers don't sound too bad. Hoping
the
FCC will disqualify them based on latency sounds like a long shot. Not
like
Hughesnet where the latency actually does suck.
Also most customers never look at latency numbers, and if they do, they
probably don't understand that lower is better. Oh no, my ping is only
15,
it used to be 500 with Hughesnet.
-----Original Message-----
From: AF <af-boun...@af.afmug.com> On Behalf Of fiber...@mail.com
Sent: Tuesday, November 3, 2020 10:29 AM
To: af@af.afmug.com
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Starlink latency highly variable - up to 120 ms
1/3/15 ms. How is that relevant?
Jared
> Sent: Tuesday, November 03, 2020 at 11:20 AM
> From: "Ken Hohhof" <af...@kwisp.com>
> To: "'AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group'" <af@af.afmug.com>
> Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Starlink latency highly variable - up to 120 ms
>
> And what is the min/avg/max latency over typical home WiFi from router
> to
device?
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: AF <af-boun...@af.afmug.com> On Behalf Of fiber...@mail.com
> Sent: Tuesday, November 3, 2020 10:06 AM
> To: af@af.afmug.com
> Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Starlink latency highly variable - up to 120 ms
>
> Yes, I've seen that email. You'll note that they very carefully avoid
mentioning that the latency targets are best case minimum latencies, not
average latency or even latency upper and lower limits.
>
>
> Jared
>
>
>
>
> From: "Darin Steffl" <darin.ste...@mnwifi.com>
> To: "AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group" <af@af.afmug.com>
> Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Starlink latency highly variable - up to 120 ms
>
> Here's the email Starlink sent out a week ago, attached. 16 to 19ms
> latency target in summer of 2021
>
> On Tue, Nov 3, 2020 at 9:57 AM
> <fiber...@mail.com[mailto:fiber...@mail.com]> wrote:From: "Bill
> Prince" <part15...@gmail.com[mailto:part15...@gmail.com]>
> To: af@af.afmug.com[mailto:af@af.afmug.com]
> Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Starlink latency highly variable - up to 120 ms
> >
> > I call that BS. It means they can route the traffic to the nearest
> > end point. I think it will make a massive difference.
> You can call BS all day long til you are blue in the face, it won't
change facts.
>
> The minimum end user latency is dominated by the RF space segment
> which
is currently averaging 40 ms. There are promises about lowering this, but
nobody has ever claimed any numbers lower than 20 ms.
>
> It means jack all to the end user if Starlink uses a space laser to do
one or two hops when they have to pay a 20-40 ms penalty to go up and
down.
>
>
> Jared
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