You don't get to be president without wanting millions of people to vote you into it and also be willing to stand in front of those millions and tell them you're the best MoFo for this job and all those millions of people should vote for you.

You can't want that and NOT be a terrible person.  Biden, Trump, Obama, W Bush, Clinton, HW Bush, Regan, Carter.....sorry but they were probably all narcissists and/or sociopaths.  I don't see any other path to that type of office.

I don't know if you were here for 2016 Robert, but this isn't half as bad.  It's not 1/10th as bad.  I actually hope the departure of Trump will lead to a permanent end of lent and a return to OT discussions that aren't radioactive.

Steve needs to help us out with that.  So does Jamie.  Probably others.

Can we say "I disagree with Mr. Biden on position XYZ and I think Mr Trump would have done better for reason NNN."?   That would be preferable to just calling either person a piece of shit.

I understand that we get angry when the wrong guy does the wrong thing, but also understand that other people see a different perspective, and also understand that compromise on seemingly irreconcilable positions is baked into the founding of this nation (See 3/5th's compromise, electoral college, bicameral house, separation of powers, checks & balances, etc).



On 11/15/2020 7:26 PM, Robert wrote:
Exactly what I feel about Trump x10 .   So if we are done with this sort of talk can we _please_ get back to Lent?

On 11/15/20 2:22 PM, Steve Jones wrote:
Considering biden was a part of the non transition transition from the 8 year waste, I'd prefer he spit on him than shake his hand. Biden is and always will be a bigot racist sellout piece of shit

On Sun, Nov 15, 2020, 3:47 PM <[email protected] <mailto:[email protected]>> wrote:

    A "lid" is the amount you can hold on the opened lid of a prince
    albert
    tobacco can.   Presumably the can is full of pot, you open the
    lid, it is on
    a hinge.  And you shake it out onto the lid.  Probably about 3
    tablespoons.

    Enough for a few joints.  Not much at all.

    So, I've been told...

    -----Original Message-----
    From: Bill Prince
    Sent: Sunday, November 15, 2020 2:40 PM
    To: [email protected] <mailto:[email protected]>
    Subject: Re: [AFMUG] OT - past transitions

    The whole pot thing has been a fiasco. My nephew has a friend (not
    someone I know directly, but a good friend my nephew went through at
    least part of college with) who was carrying a small amount
    (nephew said
    a "lid", so whatever that is), and sold all or part of it to a narc.

    He got busted and went away for 8 years. That seemed pretty
    excessive in
    my nephew's mind, and I agree with him excepting for the fact
    that all
    the information I got was from my nephew, so it's at least 3rd hand.

    That all said, it's pretty hard to find anyone who's dies from
    smoking
    weed, and the one or two you may hear about is very anecdotal.
    None-the-less it's been classified as a schedule 1 drug for as
    long as I
    can remember (and that's longer than I care to admit).

    Just a stupid waste of time, energy, people, legal system, and
    prison space.


    bp
    <part15sbs{at}gmail{dot}com>

    On 11/15/2020 1:11 PM, [email protected] <mailto:[email protected]>
    wrote:
    > Just say no.
    > No guns for terrorists.
    > Bright line for Assad.
    > We don't need no stinkin' masks.
    >
    > We (Royal We)  have an infinite ability to screw up.
    >
    > No so Funny, in the 80s people were going to prison for life
    for getting
    > busted with some pot 3 times.
    > In the 70s when I was growing up in Oregon, pot was
    decriminalized.  "some
    > people" grew it in their dorm rooms...
    > Now it is fully legalized in Oregon.  I presume they let all
    those lifers
    > out of prison.
    >
    > Pendulums swing back and forth.  I hope that one has stopped.
    >
    > -----Original Message----- From: Robert Andrews
    > Sent: Sunday, November 15, 2020 2:05 PM
    > To: [email protected] <mailto:[email protected]>
    > Subject: Re: [AFMUG] OT - past transitions
    >
    > Which also gave us the McNamara Military doctrine...  You can
    have the
    > smartest guys from other industries, but we still need to
    depend upon
    > the guys in the field of battle to be the weighted input..
    Otherwise I
    > agree...
    >
    > On 11/15/2020 12:59 PM, Ken Hohhof wrote:
    >> When I was an engineering undergrad, we had to take a certain
    number of
    >> liberal arts electives, and I took a 100 level Poli Sci
    course.  This was
    >> at Northwestern, so even the professors teaching intro level
    classes were
    >> pretty good.
    >>
    >> This would be from about 1971 and I wasn't a poli sci major,
    so I don't
    >> remember that much from the class.  But I remember the prof
    talking about
    >> decision making in the JFK White House.  Take it with a grain
    of salt
    >> because this was the administration that gave us Bay of Pigs,
    but I think
    >> he kind of inherited that plan from Eisenhower, still shame on
    him for
    >> going with it.  (I liked both Ike and JFK, so not casting any
    >> aspersions.)
    >>
    >> But prof said JFK would gather all the smartest people and
    hear them out.
    >> Then with a smaller group of people he would weigh the various
    inputs and
    >> make a decision.  I think the lesson we were being taught was
    that ideas
    >> are best generated with a large group, and decisions best made
    with a
    >> small group.  Something about large groups can too easily make
    risky
    >> decisions because responsibility was diffused.
    >>
    >> Or you can just "go with your gut".  My gut wants a
    cheeseburger.  Sorry,
    >> gut, you're getting a lowfat yoghurt. Which the label says has
    sucralose
    >> in it.  Back to the diet sweetener thread.  But honestly the
    Yoplait
    >> banana cream pie light yoghurt is pretty yummy.
    >>
    >>
    >> -----Original Message-----
    >> From: AF <[email protected]
    <mailto:[email protected]>> On Behalf Of Robert Andrews
    >> Sent: Sunday, November 15, 2020 2:11 PM
    >> To: [email protected] <mailto:[email protected]>
    >> Subject: Re: [AFMUG] OT - past transitions
    >>
    >> Before and after drugs...
    >>
    >> On 11/15/2020 09:36 AM, [email protected]
    <mailto:[email protected]> wrote:
    >>> At least he has now said the words: “he won . . .”
    >>> "He won because the Election was Rigged,"**Trump said in one
    Sunday
    >>> morning tweet. In another, he**stood by his false belief he
    may be
    >>> able to win the election and refused to concede, writing, "I
    concede
    >>> NOTHING!
    >>> We have a long way to go."
    >>> *From:* Bill Prince
    >>> *Sent:* Sunday, November 15, 2020 10:21 AM
    >>> *To:* [email protected] <mailto:[email protected]>
    >>> *Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] OT - past transitions
    >>>
    >>> I admire your optimism Lewis.
    >>>
    >>> There have been times in the last four years when I thought
    he would
    >>> surprise us all, and grow into the job or manifest some
    semblance of
    >>> growing into the job. I've been disappointed every time.
    >>>
    >>> So while I admire your optimism, I do not share it. I'm
    resigned to
    >>> the notion that he will muck it up somehow.
    >>>
    >>> bp
    >>> <part15sbs{at}gmail{dot}com>
    >>>
    >>> On 11/15/2020 9:09 AM, Lewis Bergman wrote:
    >>>> Honestly, he is always surprising people. So let me be the
    first to
    >>>> say that since the popular opinion is that he will continue
    to be a
    >>>> royal ass, I think he will surprise us all, Shake Biden's
    hand, and
    >>>> manage to pull off two hours acting like a decent human being at
    >>>> inauguration.
    >>>> On Sun, Nov 15, 2020 at 10:28 AM <[email protected]
    <mailto:[email protected]>> wrote:
    >>>>
    >>>> https://youtu.be/SA9lFsiut2Q <https://youtu.be/SA9lFsiut2Q>
    >>>>      *From:* Ken Hohhof
    >>>>      *Sent:* Sunday, November 15, 2020 9:25 AM
    >>>>      *To:* 'AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group'
    >>>>      *Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] OT - past transitions
    >>>>
    >>>>      Maybe he could go back up the Trump Tower golden escalator.
    >>>>
    >>>>      I saw today that he has cited Sunset Boulevard as one
    of his
    >>>>      favorite films.  Maybe it can be like the final scene
    of that
    >>>>      movie.  I’m ready for my closeup, Mr. DeMille.
    >>>>
    >>>>      *From:* AF <[email protected]
    <mailto:[email protected]>> *On Behalf Of *Bill Prince
    >>>>      *Sent:* Sunday, November 15, 2020 10:00 AM
    >>>>      *To:* [email protected] <mailto:[email protected]>
    >>>>      *Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] OT - past transitions
    >>>>
    >>>>      The way of the future.
    >>>>
    >>>>      bp
    >>>>
    >>>>      <part15sbs{at}gmail{dot}com>
    >>>>
    >>>>      On 11/14/2020 12:20 PM, Ken Hohhof wrote:
    >>>>
    >>>>          I stumbled across this looking for something else. Nice
    >>>>          photos of how it used to work.
    >>>>
    >>>>
    >>>>
    https://www.townandcountrymag.com/society/money-and-power/g34672307/p
    <https://www.townandcountrymag.com/society/money-and-power/g34672307/p>
    >>>> residential-transitions-white-house-history-photos/
    >>>>
    >>>>
    >>>>
    >>>>
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