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From: AF <[email protected]> on behalf of "[email protected]" <[email protected]> Reply-To: "[email protected]" <[email protected]> Date: Monday, December 14, 2020 at 1:34 PM To: "[email protected]" <[email protected]> Subject: AF Digest, Vol 31, Issue 375 Send AF mailing list submissions to [email protected]<mailto:[email protected]> To subscribe or unsubscribe via the World Wide Web, visit https://urldefense.proofpoint.com/v2/url?u=http-3A__af.afmug.com_mailman_listinfo_af-5Faf.afmug.com&d=DwICAg&c=euGZstcaTDllvimEN8b7jXrwqOf-v5A_CdpgnVfiiMM&r=oZldojrM2-7OE-SOcQyzFlyOFVuvqI9-MKCJpgPtw5o&m=CETlLHF1qlnMTUs-gRh1jnh1t9r-mDvIfttzJsbQiKI&s=agP2zmHDpiybchfQSxAu5t_ZeXB_goBi-C03z-liL0M&e= or, via email, send a message with subject or body 'help' to [email protected]<mailto:[email protected]> You can reach the person managing the list at [email protected]<mailto:[email protected]> When replying, please edit your Subject line so it is more specific than "Re: Contents of AF digest..." Today's Topics: 1. Re: OT: Bad data, or people not doing their jobs. (Nate Burke) 2. Re: Google News - Cambium Networks settles a lawsuit with Ubiquiti Inc for selling hacking firmware (Mathew Howard) ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Message: 1 Date: Mon, 14 Dec 2020 13:15:51 -0600 From: Nate Burke <[email protected]<mailto:[email protected]>> To: AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group <[email protected]<mailto:[email protected]>> Subject: Re: [AFMUG] OT: Bad data, or people not doing their jobs. Message-ID: <[email protected]<mailto:[email protected]>> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="utf-8"; Format="flowed" Somewhere along the line, the mindset shifted where time=value from physical product=value.? So if you don't know how to do something, you don't do it, and have someone that already knows how to do it, do it.? If you are spending time trying to solve a problem, that's bad.? So the generation now will not do something if they don't know how to do it.? There's no exploration anymore.? Even Lego kits come with instructions on how you put them together. I was raised in a house where Time had no value, so if you spent lots of time and saved actual money, that was the best.? Not that we were poor, just how I was raised.? I remember when i first started working, i was doing something and told the boss how there was a $50 tool that might help do it faster, but i wasn't sure, so I'm not spending money. Instead of being happy at my frugality,? He told me, 'If you think spending $50 will save you an hour a week, you buy it and you try it.' So how do you teach when spending time is ok, vs not ok?? If one of your boring guys came and said he thinks he has an idea for how to increase output 50% a day, but needs 2 weeks to work on it, do you let him do it?? What if it's only 1 week, 1 hour? On 12/14/2020 11:05 AM, Steve Jones wrote: This got me fired on my birthday once. Worked at a high end bird food manufacturer, we got in 2000lb boxes of peanuts. They had to be sprayed with an antioxidant that stopped some growth that kills exotic birds. I religiously put it in every 2000lb crate (takes a long time, has to be dumped into a little leg up into a mixer) Me and this punk were the ones who were responsible for this. His speed was a lot faster than mine, never really had time to figure out why. We had a QA checklist that had that on it. This is where I screwed up, and why I never sign others QA stuff now. Whoever was at the book when a batch went through signed it When random lab sampling came back on a batch I signed QA on, guess what wasnt in it, yep, the antioxidant. As I was being walked out how realized how that prick was so much faster than me. On Mon, Dec 14, 2020, 10:26 AM Adam Moffett <[email protected]<mailto:[email protected]> <mailto:[email protected]><mailto:[email protected]%3e>> wrote: I remember working as a bagger/stock boy at a grocery store. Other guys were content to goof off in a storage room and let me do all the work. I was never angry at them, just confused because I couldn't understand their attitude towards work.? Now I get angry when I have to pick up after other people.? The difference isn't in the young whippersnappers, it's that I've grown up to be an a-hole. In my opinion, the top traits that will make a person successful are these: 1. The willingness to look at your own work and say, "I can do this better next time." 2. Willingness to look at an unfamiliar problem and say "I've got the ball, I will figure out how to solve this." They both boil down to attitude.? I don't know how such attitudes are learned, but schools need to figure out how to teach it.? Kids will do the bare minimum at every other subject if they don't somehow get the attitude right.? When the bare minimum is good enough at school then that's what they'll do the rest of their life. Just one a-hole's opinion. -Adam On 12/14/2020 11:02 AM, Nate Burke wrote: > I'm getting tired of what is either bad data, or people just not > caring about their jobs.? To quote Moss 'I've sent an email, it's > fine...'? Not bothering to go beyond their first google result and > calling it good.? Why can't people take pride in their jobs anymore? > > Dunn and Bradstreet has the contact for our company listed as someone > who has never worked here, and they want to charge us to update their > info.? Circular file cabinet for anything from them. > > Paypal just called looking for someone who has never worked here. > > A police department in Massachusetts (we are in Illinois)? Left us a > voicemail asking us to remove our vehicle from their street.? He left > me the VIN and Registration number of the vehicle, but did not leave > an area code with his callback number, he Blocked his CID.? I had to > get the RPID info from our phone provider to track down his department > to tell them that we're not who he's looking for.? Why did he not > actually start with the vehicle registration info instead of googling > for the name that was on the side of the van and calling the first > result?? i fell like the police would have access to that data. > > The FBI emailed me a Subpoena for ip address records for IP addresses > that was not ours, but another company with a similar sounding name. > > Not to mention companies applying payments to wrong circuits, so 1 > circuit has a 5 month credit on it, and they shut a 2nd circuit off > for non-payment with no letters or calls. > > I was talking to someone in the airline industry, they said the > biggest problem they have with new employees is perfection.? The new > employee will say 'it's fine, it works 95% of the time' to which they > have to be reminded that someone will die if that 5% comes up. > > And don't get be started on how Bloated all software is now. > > I guess I'm just getting too old and curmudgeonly and these young > whippersnappers just don't understand what doing a good job is. > > > > > > > > > > -- AF mailing list [email protected]<mailto:[email protected]> <mailto:[email protected]> https://urldefense.proofpoint.com/v2/url?u=http-3A__af.afmug.com_mailman_listinfo_af-5Faf.afmug.com&d=DwICAg&c=euGZstcaTDllvimEN8b7jXrwqOf-v5A_CdpgnVfiiMM&r=oZldojrM2-7OE-SOcQyzFlyOFVuvqI9-MKCJpgPtw5o&m=CETlLHF1qlnMTUs-gRh1jnh1t9r-mDvIfttzJsbQiKI&s=agP2zmHDpiybchfQSxAu5t_ZeXB_goBi-C03z-liL0M&e= <https://urldefense.proofpoint.com/v2/url?u=http-3A__af.afmug.com_mailman_listinfo_af-5Faf.afmug.com&d=DwICAg&c=euGZstcaTDllvimEN8b7jXrwqOf-v5A_CdpgnVfiiMM&r=oZldojrM2-7OE-SOcQyzFlyOFVuvqI9-MKCJpgPtw5o&m=CETlLHF1qlnMTUs-gRh1jnh1t9r-mDvIfttzJsbQiKI&s=agP2zmHDpiybchfQSxAu5t_ZeXB_goBi-C03z-liL0M&e=> -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: <https://urldefense.proofpoint.com/v2/url?u=http-3A__af.afmug.com_mailman_private_af-5Faf.afmug.com_attachments_20201214_ca58e5fa_attachment-2D0001.html&d=DwICAg&c=euGZstcaTDllvimEN8b7jXrwqOf-v5A_CdpgnVfiiMM&r=oZldojrM2-7OE-SOcQyzFlyOFVuvqI9-MKCJpgPtw5o&m=CETlLHF1qlnMTUs-gRh1jnh1t9r-mDvIfttzJsbQiKI&s=WhbpuEZVSYnLS9O3Tyxp3xYs5laj30Z4BHrksfhCX2s&e=> ------------------------------ Message: 2 Date: Mon, 14 Dec 2020 13:31:36 -0600 From: Mathew Howard <[email protected]<mailto:[email protected]>> To: AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group <[email protected]<mailto:[email protected]>> Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Google News - Cambium Networks settles a lawsuit with Ubiquiti Inc for selling hacking firmware Message-ID: <caas8s6qicpxv4fjixck_cgpuqums-9t8_prpwfq1ongzdq_...@mail.gmail.com<mailto:caas8s6qicpxv4fjixck_cgpuqums-9t8_prpwfq1ongzdq_...@mail.gmail.com>> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="utf-8" Yeah, I think Cambium's goal was probably to just drag it out long enough that the product wasn't really needed anymore. I suspect that at this point, the majority of the 802.11N based networks that are going to be converted to ePMP already have been, and Elevate never supported the AC gear anyway and even if it did, there would probably be a lot less interest now than there was back then. It was a very useful tool at the time, and saved a lot of us a ton of work, but it pretty much served its purpose and can be left to die at this point. On Mon, Dec 14, 2020 at 10:17 AM Cameron Crum <[email protected]<mailto:[email protected]>> wrote: I believe the claim was that Cambium hacked Ubnt's hardware so they could figure out how to load Cambium firmware onto Ubnt radios. This would save a wisp a ton of money if they decided to switch platforms as they would not have to buy new CPEs, just APs. They found some technicality in the DMCA, I believe, and it looks like either Cambium decided it might go against them (highly likely when trying to convince non-technical judges) or they decided it would just be less expensive to end it now. What looks to those of us who understand things like radio chipsets better than the average joe public like a no-brianer, is most likely incomprehensible to a judge or a selection of random people in a jury pool. Heck I've seen supposed "distinguished trial judges" not be able to tell which party is which in a property dispute because one party claimed to be the other by filing brand new articles of incorporation with the same name. I would expect trying to convince them the radio hardware was not proprietary would be tantamount to a fat man climbing mount everest without oxygen. Maybe "someone" will figure out a way to do this independently just in case they don't want to swap thousands of CPEs. I can't imagine it would be too difficult, but you might open yourself up to a new lawsuit. On Sat, Dec 12, 2020 at 12:21 PM Chuck McCown via AF <[email protected]<mailto:[email protected]>> wrote: So who is who here. I guess I am UBNT? Paint my mounts sounds like flash my radio with the code of others. So UBNT could legally claim you cannot put Cambium code in their radios? So were UBNT customers putting Cambium software in UBNT radios? Or were people putting UBNT software in Cambium radios? I remember it happening at the time. I just don?t remember any details. The article says that the settlement involved Cambium paying UBNT. Assuming that is correct, the Cambium must have done something wrong. *From:* Craig Schmaderer *Sent:* Saturday, December 12, 2020 11:02 AM *To:* AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group *Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] Google News - Cambium Networks settles a lawsuit with Ubiquiti Inc for selling hacking firmware Chuck, I look at it like, if you said I could not paint your mounts after I buy them, and I decide to paint them blue using Rustoleum paint, you would sue Rustoleum and I for breaking your EUA *From:* AF <[email protected]<mailto:[email protected]>> *On Behalf Of *Chuck McCown via AF *Sent:* Saturday, December 12, 2020 11:33 AM *To:* AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group <[email protected]<mailto:[email protected]>> *Cc:* [email protected]<mailto:[email protected]> *Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] Google News - Cambium Networks settles a lawsuit with Ubiquiti Inc for selling hacking firmware I never understood the argument. What exactly did Cambium do wrong? *From:* Steve Jones *Sent:* Saturday, December 12, 2020 10:09 AM *To:* AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group *Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] Google News - Cambium Networks settles a lawsuit with Ubiquiti Inc for selling hacking firmware I hope cambium does it again with something else ubnt now just to spite them. 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