Not Frontier, but..
https://arstechnica.com/information-technology/2015/06/22-years-after-verizon-fiber-promise-millions-have-only-dsl-or-wireless/ ----- Mike Hammett Intelligent Computing Solutions Midwest Internet Exchange The Brothers WISP ----- Original Message ----- From: "Adam Moffett" <[email protected]> To: [email protected] Sent: Wednesday, December 16, 2020 12:48:16 PM Subject: Re: [AFMUG] SpaceX RDOF boondoggle? I doubt it went down like the anecdote says, because if someone got funding for infrastructure they didn't build then someone would be in jail. You don't get an award and suddenly have a pile of cash that you can run away with. Usually you build something with your own money and then get paid back for it afterwards. If someone truly took the money and ran off then they also managed to convince everyone involved that they actually built something which would be a blatant act of fraud. To do it you'd have to come up with a lot of fabricated invoices and POs and it would all fall apart in the first audit (because I guarantee there are mandatory audits). I'm not saying nobody ever did it, but if they did it they had galvanized testicles and they fled the country afterwards. My direct experience is only in NY State, but I was in a weekly conference call for the state broadband program and they were suspicious SOB's. They would fret over any apparent inconsistency and get brutal about it. As I recall we changed the number of pole applications so it was lower with one power company and higher with another. This was just a correction, but we were grilled about it to make sure we weren't trying to redraw the build area. One operator got screamed at on this conference call and had his funding pulled because he wasn't making adequate progress and couldn't adequately explain it. Charter Cable was the only funded party not in that conference call. They had their own separate handlers for some reason. -Adam On 12/16/2020 1:29 PM, James Howard wrote: As I said anecdotal evidence. My recollection was that was how they grew to be the size they are now…… From: AF <[email protected]> On Behalf Of Adam Moffett Sent: Wednesday, December 16, 2020 12:14 PM To: [email protected] Subject: Re: [AFMUG] SpaceX RDOF boondoggle? Where did they do that in the past? Frontier built a lot of infrastructure through NY State funding programs. If they tried shenanigans like that, NY State would screw them to a wall. Not sure how RDOF works. On 12/16/2020 1:02 PM, James Howard wrote: <blockquote> Historical anecdotal evidence seems to indicate that they will get the money, buy another company (or companies), declare bankruptcy again and still there will be no FTTH in the areas they took the cash for……. From: AF <[email protected]> On Behalf Of Adam Moffett Sent: Wednesday, December 16, 2020 11:33 AM To: [email protected] Subject: Re: [AFMUG] SpaceX RDOF boondoggle? Is it better to fund Frontier FTTH and risk them being evil, incompetent Frontier or better to leave rural WV unserved? It's easy to sit back in our comfy chairs and say Frontier doesn't deserve that money, but then what do we do after not giving it to them? On 12/16/2020 12:24 PM, Jason McKemie wrote: <blockquote> It should probably be a requirement that you aren't under bankruptcy protection if you're going to be getting public money. Plus Frontier is just generally incompetent, hence the bankruptcy. On Wed, Dec 16, 2020 at 10:58 AM Adam Moffett < [email protected] > wrote: <blockquote> I saw the senator's complaint. I can't speak to Frontier's competency, but Frontier threw their hat in the ring to voluntarily serve unprofitable areas with government assistance. I'm betting the senator's complaint is moot because nobody else wants that job. On 12/15/2020 12:50 PM, Ken Hohhof wrote: <blockquote> I forget who was complaining that SpaceX was getting RDOF money to serve areas like universities and airports, but FreePress is complaining about the same thing. Keep in mind this is FreePress, which likes criticizing Internet policy a lot. Also winners still have to submit their long forms. https://www.freepress.net/our-response/expert-analysis/insights-opinions/broadband-boondoggle-ajit-pais-886m-gift-elon-musk I also saw that a WV senator was objecting money to Frontier which she said was not competent to deliver gigabit service in her state. -- AF mailing list [email protected] http://af.afmug.com/mailman/listinfo/af_af.afmug.com </blockquote> </blockquote> Total Control Panel Login To: [email protected] From: [email protected] You received this message because the domain afmug.com is on your allow list. </blockquote> Total Control Panel Login To: [email protected] From: [email protected] You received this message because the domain afmug.com is on your allow list. </blockquote> -- AF mailing list [email protected] http://af.afmug.com/mailman/listinfo/af_af.afmug.com
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