Isn't that the concept/draw of the containerized datacenter. Plug it in and it just runs until x% of components inside have failed, then just unplug it and swap it with a new container. Send the container back for rebuild. On site staff never even goes in the container.

On 1/27/2021 3:10 PM, Cassidy B. Larson wrote:
I’m guessing they dont swap individual dead drives. I’d bet that they'd mark the drive with the issue offline until enough in the chassis are offline for the server to be physically replaced. Otherwise it’d seem it’d be too much work doing individual drives all day every day.

We had a Mozy/EMC/VMWare/Dell (whatever their name is today) storage pod locally for a number of years.. I remember the local guys telling me that one weekend a ton of their western digital green drives went out all at once. After that they were moving to enterprise WD. It was interesting to see the evolution of their storage racks from Supermicro 4Us to EMC branded hardware that looked similar to the backblaze stuff.



On Jan 27, 2021, at 2:02 PM, Bill Prince <[email protected] <mailto:[email protected]>> wrote:

There are other form factors (E.G. M.2 an example), that have pretty darn fast interfaces. But I think the driving issues are going to be speed and the ability to swap them quickly and easily.

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On 1/27/2021 11:36 AM, Nate Burke wrote:
Looks like 30TB SSD drives exist in a 2.5" Form factor now.
https://www.newegg.com/samsung-pm1643-30-72tb/p/2U3-0005-000H7?item=9SIA994CAV5304
In theory price should continue to drop like they did with all previous sizes. I'm not sure why SSD is fixated on the 2.5" size. I would think that with the extra space of 3.5" they would easily scale higher.

I'm guessing that Spinning disks are on their way out?

Of course you could just go all in with the 100TB disk
https://timesofindia.indiatimes.com/gadgets-news/worlds-biggest-ssd-costs-40000/articleshow/76878101.cms

Just think, in 20 years we'll be talking about all that small scale storage, back when a single disk was ONLY 100TB.



On 1/27/2021 11:42 AM, Mike Hammett wrote:
Recently, I read an article about spinning disks that should scale to 80 TB per 3.5" drive.



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*From:*"Bill Prince"<[email protected]>
*To:*[email protected]
*Sent:*Wednesday, January 27, 2021 11:32:15 AM
*Subject:*Re: [AFMUG] OT: Google storage math

I read an analysis recently (unfortunately I don't remember where it was) discussing the optimum size for a storage device. It was making the argument that the size itself becomes a problem when it exceeds 16TB or thereabouts. When it gets much larger, it interferes with just getting data on/off because of transfer speeds and the shear amount of data contained therein (or thereon?).

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On 1/27/2021 9:26 AM, Mathew Howard wrote:

    It doesn't take into account the capacity of new drives
    increasing either though, so it could very well be close to
    linear, as far as physical space goes.

    On Wed, Jan 27, 2021 at 11:11 AM Bill Prince
    <[email protected] <mailto:[email protected]>> wrote:

        That does not take into account the rate of growth. It's
        probably not linear, but I would not know if it is
        geometric or what.

        bp
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        On 1/27/2021 8:42 AM, Chuck McCown via AF wrote:

            Off by a factor of 10.  Each data center would be good
            for 140 years...
            *From:*Chuck McCown via AF
            *Sent:*Wednesday, January 27, 2021 9:12 AM
            *To:*AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group
            *Cc:*Chuck McCown
            *Subject:*Re: [AFMUG] OT: Google storage math
            In one small corner of the larger data centers.  Those
            things are huge.  3000 square feed (including aisle
            space) against 10 acre data centers.  Each data center
            would be good for 14 years and there are hundreds of
            data centers.
            *From:*Bill Prince
            *Sent:*Wednesday, January 27, 2021 6:43 AM
            *To:*AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group
            *Subject:*Re: [AFMUG] OT: Google storage math
            I look at it a different way. First, they are probably
            using 16TB drives (although I don't know). Based on
            what I've read, 16TB is the sweet spot for efficient
            large storage. That said, a single rack a day seems
            like a big deal to me. That's 365 racks per year.
            Yeesh. Talk about real estate. They are probably having
            to get creative on where to park all that stuff.
            Oh yeah. Monetization too.
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            On Tue, Jan 26, 2021 at 9:23 PM Robert
            <[email protected]
            <mailto:[email protected]>> wrote:

                Only have to limit it to make you pay...
                Monitization. One of the
                first and richest of the non-founding googlers was
                the director of
                monitization...

                On 1/26/21 7:12 PM, Nate Burke wrote:
                > I got an email today reminding me about the
                changes to Google Photos,
                > and how they're going to be counting against your
                Drive storage
                > limit.  The email said that "4.3 million GB of
                data are uploaded to
                > drive/photos/docs every day"
                >
                > 4,300,000 GB = 4199 TB = 4.1 PB
                >
                > So some quick back of the napkin math
                >
                > 4.1PB, Rumors are that Google creates 3 copies of
                all data for
                > redundancy.  So every day they have to provide
                new storage for ~12.3PB
                > of storage
                >
                > Take an average size Hard drive of ~12TB That's
                1050 hard Disks per day.
                >
                > For math's sake, a backblaze storage pod can hold
                60 disks in 4U. So
                > that's 18 Drive pods per day.  So 72U of
                rackspace.  That's only a
                > single rack per day, Not bad.  Data centers are big.
                >
                > If they're getting the drives for $100 each, then
                that's $105,000/day
                > or $38.3M/year. So providing the storage for all
                of Google
                > photos/drive/docs is basically a rounding error
                to Alphabet.
                >
                > Why are they having to limit my storage again?
                >
                > I'm really curious how much raw data is uploaded
                to youtube every day,
                > but I haven't seen any publicly available figures
                recently (within the
                > last several years).
                >


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