Gun rights are not terribly high on my list of thing a deeply care about. I
want the right to go buy a gun if I want to go buy a gun. If I have to pass a
background check and wait a day or three, no big deal. If they want to take my
right away because I am a verified nut case or violent offender, OK fine.
I do think that requiring a gun owner to have an insurance policy of $1M is not
the worst idea. You have to have insurance if you own that other lethal
weapon, a car. Why not a gun?
Might calm some of it down. Might make ownership harder.
But in the end, bad guys will always have guns no matter where you live or what
the laws are.
From: Darin Steffl
Sent: Thursday, May 19, 2022 6:27 PM
To: AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group
Cc: Chuck McCown
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] OT mildly political
I just want more compromise between the two major parties. If Dems could learn
to spend less and Republicans would stop attacking marginalized people, we'd
have a fairly normal government.
I'm also not a fan of how easy it is to buy guns. I know plenty of far right
nut jobs that make me nervous knowing they have a stockpile of guns and ammo.
The majority of mass shootings in the US are committed by white males and most
of them lean far right. I don't see many liberals out there committing mass
shootings.
It should be harder to buy a gun than to buy a car, get a license, adopt a
child, get a loan, become a cop, etc. Everyone should have extensive training
with target shooting and a psych eval. If anyone threatens violence verbally or
in writing, they should immediately lose the right to possess a firearm. Make
it possible but difficult to own guns and the violence will decrease. Destroy
guns that are found during crimes, offer buyback programs, etc to start
dwindling the supply. Strict gun control works in other countries and it can
work here too.
How many more people need to keep dying before the "pro-life" party gets off
their ass and does something about it?! If they claim it's a mental health
problem, then they should support psych evals in order to own firearms.
On Thu, May 19, 2022, 6:51 PM Chuck McCown via AF <af@af.afmug.com> wrote:
Seems like an impossible problem. But if you read news accounts from 200
years ago, horrible negative campaigning and actual fist fights were normal in
political races.
I vote no whackadoodles.
From: Jason McKemie
Sent: Thursday, May 19, 2022 5:32 PM
To: AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] OT mildly political
Unfortunately most of the people identifying as libertarians these days (at
least the high profile ones) are whackadoodle republicans.
On Thu, May 19, 2022 at 6:21 PM Sean Heskett <af...@zirkel.us> wrote:
Don’t get me wrong, I’m not saying Lauren Bobert is a libertarian, she is
FAR from it. What I meant was when the options are:
Moderate democrat
Whackadoodle republican (Bobert)
Libertarian
My 1st choice would be libertarian,
2nd choice would be moderate democrat (they do exist)
3rd choice is NOT the whackadoodle
In CO 35-40% of voters are republican, 35-40% democrat and 20-30%
independent
If I don’t vote for the democrat and vote for the libertarian there’s
enough republicans that my vote becomes a “throwaway” vote and i instead
inadvertently help the whackadoodle get elected. Which is the WORST possible
outcome.
Ranked choice voting would solve this but that’s a discussion and a can of
worms for another thread/day lol.
-Sean
On Thu, May 19, 2022 at 4:47 PM Jason McKemie
<j.mcke...@veloxinetbroadband.com> wrote:
Yeah, the nutjobs ruined that designation. I used to partially identify
as libertarian, I don't do that anymore.
On Thursday, May 19, 2022, Sean Heskett <af...@zirkel.us> wrote:
Here in ColoRADo voting libertarian ends up getting people like Lauren
Bobert elected lol :-/
On Thu, May 19, 2022 at 9:15 AM Josh Luthman
<j...@imaginenetworksllc.com> wrote:
It's not a throwaway vote!!!! You have to vote libertarian if you
want a libertarian!
On Thu, May 19, 2022 at 11:06 AM Sean Heskett <af...@zirkel.us> wrote:
<Say in the voice of Mr. Mackey from South Park>
Mmmkay everyone, all you “woke” people are tried and cranky, y’all
need to go back to bed and get some rest.
-Sean
(For the record I’m registered independent , socially liberal,
fiscally conservative, I would vote libertarian if it wasn’t a throwaway vote)
On Thu, May 19, 2022 at 8:53 AM Chuck McCown via AF
<af@af.afmug.com> wrote:
Well, maybe their thin skin needs some toughening up. Everyone
could use some more grit.
In my experience, those that feel compelled to “call out” people
never affect positive change. And frequently they harm themselves in the
trying. Becoming toxic themselves to those they are trying to
shame/expose/coerce/educate/put down.
What good does it do to tell some red necked construction worker
that he is being racist? I just avoid those with views I abhor. And I try to
teach by example. But I never call anyone out. At work, if they are my
employee, I address the concern in private. If they don’t change I fire them.
Social justice warriors are idiots in my opinion. They invent a
noble cause with which to enshroud themselves while acting out in socially
impolitic ways, a good reason, in their mind, to be an anarchist. Look at
antifa and proud boys.
Exact same people, doing the exact same things, for the exact
same reasons. The ONLY difference is some contrived battle line they are
trying to advance.
From: Cameron Crum
Sent: Thursday, May 19, 2022 7:42 AM
To: AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] OT mildly political
You stirred the liberal hornets nest now, Chuck.
On Thu, May 19, 2022 at 7:51 AM <dmmoff...@gmail.com> wrote:
Weirdly opposite here. My brothers are vocally alt-right. All
ex-military, all purport to be Christian. One is dead from substance abuse and
suffered a variety of mental health issues. The surviving two are always
broke, angry, and unhappy. I feel like I have to tiptoe around them so they
don’t fly off the handle about anything.
…..and I’m not at all “woke”. I just know it’s not for me to
pass judgement.
On the other hand, this is NY. Maybe they feel like they’re
the rebels fighting the evil liberal death star. Maybe your kids in Utah feel
like they’re the rebels fighting the evil Republican death star.
From: AF <af-boun...@af.afmug.com> On Behalf Of Chuck McCown
via AF
Sent: Wednesday, May 18, 2022 6:11 PM
To: af@af.afmug.com
Cc: Chuck McCown <ch...@go-mtc.com>
Subject: [AFMUG] OT mildly political
Woke, broke, in therapy and crazy unhappy.
That is how I would describe some of my kids.
The alt right unwoke ones seem to have money and happiness.
Never expected I would not be able to speak my mind at family
dinners just to be able to still see some of my kids.
Feel like I was convicted in absentia, thrown in the hole for a
lifetime sentence, but taken out of solitary confinement now and then at their
whims just so they could claim to have compassion on me for a half hour walk in
the woods. Maybe longer if I pay for dinner.
Odd times....
I loved my parents and grandparents.
Never felt they had to earn it.
Never would have thought of condemning them for the things they
said.
Funny, I have a sister that lives 1000 miles from me. Our
families were separate all while the kids were growing.
But some of hers have done the same things to her. Using the
exact same vernacular.
Must have something to do with energy drinks I think.
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