"I can assure you Gmail doesn't block emails that are..."
I can assure you that they do. Scale is hard. The Mailops mailing list has a lot of traffic regarding the big mail providers epicly failing at mail constantly. ----- Mike Hammett Intelligent Computing Solutions Midwest Internet Exchange The Brothers WISP ----- Original Message ----- From: "Darin Steffl" <darin.ste...@mnwifi.com> To: "AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group" <af@af.afmug.com> Sent: Friday, March 10, 2023 11:57:00 AM Subject: Re: [AFMUG] mail servers I've never heard of mail.com but I can assure you Gmail doesn't block emails that are legitimate and follow proper SPF and DKIM configurations. I receive all emails from people I'm expecting to receive. The only ones that end up in spam seem to "host" their own email and don't follow best practices for outgoing emails. On Fri, Mar 10, 2023, 11:33 AM Steve Jones < thatoneguyst...@gmail.com > wrote: i got your spam emails this morning On Fri, Mar 10, 2023 at 11:04 AM < dmmoff...@gmail.com > wrote: <blockquote> Apparently nobody on gmail has noticed From: AF < af-boun...@af.afmug.com > On Behalf Of Jan-GAMs Sent: Friday, March 10, 2023 10:32 AM To: af@af.afmug.com Subject: Re: [AFMUG] mail servers All mail.com users cannot send you email. How many other's are blocked as well? Oblivion, must be sweet. On 3/9/23 20:14, Darin Steffl wrote: <blockquote> Gmail is the best. Been using them for our business since 2012. Virtually no issues at all aside from a handful of short outages over the last 11 years. It's hands off, costs very little, and I've NEVER needed to contact them for support. We also use Google drive and their version of office apps in the cloud. We don't store any files locally at all. All business docs are at Google and they're safe there and they handle the backups. I don't see any advantage to hosting local email on your own server. It's not worth your time. My time is worth $550/hr roughly when looking at net profit so spending even one hour a year trying to manage or fix my own email server would cost me more than what I pay Google. We're grandfathered in and think we get 10 free users for gsuite and I pay to upgrade storage to 100gb on 2-3 users so we pay less than $60 a year to Google for everything. Dirt cheap and great peace mind. This is relating to our internal business use. For customer email, we never offered it and never will. Just recommend a free Gmail account and go live your best life not having to support email. On Thu, Mar 9, 2023, 8:47 PM Steve Jones < thatoneguyst...@gmail.com > wrote: <blockquote> O365 handles SMTP relay for scanners and such really well, we just dealt with it a bunch. authenticated IP. I dont scan to a flatbed because the Edsel was before my time :-) On Thu, Mar 9, 2023 at 1:03 PM Chuck McCown via AF < af@af.afmug.com > wrote: <blockquote> I prefer to have it in house for the 10-20 email addresses it serves for employees and other business email addresses. It is free that way and we don’t have to worry about anything else. But for some reason the server hangs and needs to get rebooted, usually about the same time each day. Google got difficult, especially for email chains and other things so we stopped using them some time ago. For example, our scanner stopped being able to send emails due to something gmail did. From: Steve Jones Sent: Thursday, March 9, 2023 11:24 AM To: AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group Subject: Re: [AFMUG] mail servers How much is your time worth. The free internal server is costing you this. We are still using rackspace for subscriber mail and our office emails since its same domain and a pita to set up split routing for the mail. The cost of our mail is covered by the folks who have dropped service but wanted to keep their email, we actually make a tidy profit to cover any administrative stuff. for my business I use google. 6 bucks a month per user. The way I look at it is if im not making 6 bucks per guy a month I have bigger problems than my email. Im a nerd, 20 years ago dicking around with email servers would have been a blast. but now its like maintaining a battery powered inverter just so i can still use my corded drill. I can, it will work, its not that complicated, but its nonetheless a dumb waste of time. dealing with hosting email servers is a total waste of any resources unless your monetizing it. too large an attack vector On Thu, Mar 9, 2023 at 10:18 AM Chuck McCown via AF < af@af.afmug.com > wrote: <blockquote> It is only for our own company email. No customers on it. From: Tyson Burris Sent: Thursday, March 9, 2023 7:37 AM To: AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group Subject: Re: [AFMUG] mail servers Surgemail is exactly what I used. Seemed to be a good product. Tyson Burris, President Internet Communications Inc. 739 Commerce Dr. Franklin, IN 46131 Office # 317-738-0320 Cell/Direct # 317-412-1540 Online: www.surfici.net ICI What can ICI do for you? Broadband Wireless - PtP/PtMP Solutions - Mesh Wifi/Hotzones - IP Cameras - Fiber - Towers - Infrastructure. CONFIDENTIALITY NOTICE: This e-mail is intended for the addressee shown. It contains information that is confidential and protected from disclosure. Any review, dissemination or use of this transmission or its contents by unauthorized organizations or individuals is strictly prohibited. From: AF < af-boun...@af.afmug.com > On Behalf Of Steven Kenney via AF Sent: Thursday, March 9, 2023 8:37 AM To: AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group < af@af.afmug.com > Cc: Steven Kenney < st...@wavedirect.org > Subject: Re: [AFMUG] mail servers Surgemail you could run 1000 customers on a raspberry pi! Not free though. Extremely granular configuration options. On Thu, Mar 9, 2023 at 7:16 AM Adam Moffett < dmmoff...@gmail.com > wrote: <blockquote> We used Icewarp since 2004 without issues. At its peak we had thousandth of accounts on it, but now just a handful. Not free. And they went to per user licensing so it’s not cost effective for hosting anymore, but it’s reasonable for internal email. Get Outlook for iOS From: AF < af-boun...@af.afmug.com > on behalf of Chuck McCown via AF < af@af.afmug.com > Sent: Wednesday, March 8, 2023 6:05:45 PM To: af@af.afmug.com < af@af.afmug.com > Cc: Chuck McCown < ch...@go-mtc.com > Subject: [AFMUG] mail servers We are having trouble with mailcow. 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