i gotchu fam. On Wed, Sep 6, 2023 at 4:46 PM <dmmoff...@gmail.com> wrote:
> Maybe I need a sarcasm filter. > > Nobody should do any of this, these are not serious “solutions”, and > there’s no “EIRP Problem”. The EIRP limit (and other rules) are there to > protect incumbent licensed operators who have invested a small fortune into > radio equipment they are relying on to provide critical communication > services as well as to protect the new unlicensed users from harming each > other. Anybody who does any of the things in those bullet points should be > flogged. > > > > ….but there’s also nothing new here. People will misconfigure EIRP and > install bigger antennas out of ignorance even if they’re an upright > citizen. Hell I’m getting the impression from Peter Kranz’s original > question that he didn’t even know there was an EIRP limit. So that’s > exhibit A. The people who would use hacked or international radios know > exactly what they’re doing and if they don’t already know how to get them > then they’ll learn it from Reddit, or from shady vendors, or they’ll figure > it out by accident when they buy a foreign model off EBay. Or they’re > already doing it. > > > > My point is 6ghz is not going to be safe for licensed PTP anymore. Maybe > I’m being pessimistic about it. > > > > > > *From:* AF <af-boun...@af.afmug.com> *On Behalf Of *TJ Trout > *Sent:* Wednesday, September 06, 2023 5:29 PM > *To:* AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group <af@af.afmug.com> > *Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] EPMP4600 > > > > I'm baffled that you would even propose or share that information > > > > > > > > On Wed, Sep 6, 2023, 1:56 PM <dmmoff...@gmail.com> wrote: > > The industry already has solutions to the EIRP problem. > > > > - Buy international units set to follow the rules in Russia or Hong > Kong and then you can run any channel you want at whatever power you want. > - Alter the firmware on a US unit to enable rules for another country > or maybe put it in an engineering test mode with no limitations. > - “Misconfigure” the antenna gain so you can turn up the Tx power. > - If antenna gain can’t be adjusted in the config, then buy integrated > units with small antennas and then run pigtails off the circuit board to a > bigger antenna > > > > You shouldn’t really do any of this, but all of those “solutions” have > been seen in the wild. For awhile you could factory reset AirMax gear and > then on first login just pick whatever country you wanted. I knew a guy > who did that for all of his PTP links and I got him in trouble with his > boss. Or at least his boss pretended he was in trouble, but for all I know > maybe they started laughing together as soon as I was out of the room. > > > > If I had 6ghz licensed links right now I would be coming up with > contingency plans for if/when they get trashed by some jabroni. Like the > private pool is about to become a public pool and you know all the > neighborhood kids are gonna pee in it. It might be time to look for > another pool. Just saying. > > > > -Adam > > > > > > *From:* AF <af-boun...@af.afmug.com> *On Behalf Of *castarritt > *Sent:* Wednesday, September 06, 2023 3:03 PM > *To:* AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group <af@af.afmug.com> > *Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] EPMP4600 > > > > 36dbm is max for 6ghz, and that is assuming an SM with built in GPS. SMs > without GPS will be limited to 30dbm. I haven't used any Mimosa, but I bet > they will limit it to the same EIRP if you set them up with the correct > antenna gain. > > > > On Wed, Sep 6, 2023 at 1:56 PM Peter Kranz via AF <af@af.afmug.com> wrote: > > I currently have a few experimental 6Ghz licenses, where we have been > trialing the Mimosa A6 equipment. So far the A6 has not been super stable, > although the performance when it is stable was exciting at > 800 Mbps for > subs. Also has problems with timing for customers past 5 miles or so. > > > > Anyway, I’m thinking of switching gears to Cambium’s 4600 platform to have > something more stable. Am I correct in that Cambium is limiting the EIRP of > the SMs to 36db? So the 25db subscriber dish transmits into the dish at +11? > > > > This sounds like the solution is limited to about 4-5 miles as a result.. > Am I missing something here? > > > > Peter Kranz > www.UnwiredLtd.com <http://www.unwiredltd.com/> > Desk: 510-868-1614 x100 > Mobile: 510-207-0000 > pkr...@unwiredltd.com > > > > -- > AF mailing list > AF@af.afmug.com > http://af.afmug.com/mailman/listinfo/af_af.afmug.com > > -- > AF mailing list > AF@af.afmug.com > http://af.afmug.com/mailman/listinfo/af_af.afmug.com > > -- > AF mailing list > AF@af.afmug.com > http://af.afmug.com/mailman/listinfo/af_af.afmug.com >
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