Doing a little Googllng (not Binging), apparently with VPOL the reflected wave 
is in phase with the incident wave, but for HPOL it is flipped 180 degrees out 
of phase.

 

This would lead me to believe that in a VH dual pol system, V and H would not 
fade out at the same time, because the fades occur when the reflected signal 
path is an odd multiple of half a wavelength longer than the direct path so 
that cancellation occurs.  But in actual situations I feel like they fade 
together.

 

Now for dual slant.  +45 and -45 can be though of as half V and half H, but 
visualizing what happens upon reflection, with the HPOL component experiencing 
a phase flip, my feeble brain is not up to the task.  I think someone explained 
this once, maybe even on this list, but I don’t remember the explanation.  Add 
in the signal processing in the receiver that can recover the dual slant 
carriers even if the antenna is VH, and it’s way above my pay grade.

 

I do however vaguely recall someone claiming dual slant would be more resistant 
to multipath fading due to reflection/refraction off atmospheric boundaries, 
crops, or terrain.

 

From: AF <[email protected]> On Behalf Of [email protected]
Sent: Saturday, June 29, 2024 2:22 PM
To: AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group <[email protected]>
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Multipath mitigation

 

Yeah, it had to do with buildings with all their vertical corners and edges 
diffracting everything.  

I remember reading a paper on it.  Not sure if anyone ever put it to good use.  
FB broadcast is circular I think, so similar effects.  

 

 

From: Bill Prince 

Sent: Saturday, June 29, 2024 1:11 PM

To: AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group 

Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Multipath mitigation

 

The dual slant is good for an urban environment where most of the surfaces are 
horizontal or vertical. Not so much in a rural environment, but a flat field 
comes close.


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bp

part15sbs{at}gmail{dot}com

 

 

On Sat, Jun 29, 2024 at 11:53 AM Ken Hohhof <[email protected] 
<mailto:[email protected]> > wrote:

Do I remember something about dual slant polarization was supposed to help with 
multipath?  I haven’t observed that to be the case.

 

From: AF <[email protected] <mailto:[email protected]> > On Behalf 
Of [email protected] <mailto:[email protected]> 
Sent: Saturday, June 29, 2024 1:37 PM
To: AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group <[email protected] <mailto:[email protected]> >
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Multipath mitigation

 

Spacial or frequency diverse systems need two receivers.  I don’t know of any 
solution that just uses one receiver.  If you put up two antennas and phase 
them together you will just create a new pattern with higher gain in one 
direction and new nulls.  So it will still fade.  You need two SMs and a way to 
select the best one.  Or maybe just go in and swap the connection between them 
remotely at the right time of year.  If there was an STP that would check link 
quality rather than speed that could be a thing.  

 

Best Regards,
Chuck McCown

McCown Technology Corporation 
8401 N Commerce Dr
Lake Point, Utah 84074
801-250-9503 Office
435-830-4306 Cell
www.mccowntech.com <http://www.mccowntech.com> 
www.microtrench.pro <http://www.microtrench.pro> 
www.terabitnetworks.com <http://www.terabitnetworks.com> 

 

From: Steve Jones 

Sent: Saturday, June 29, 2024 11:09 AM

To: AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group 

Subject: [AFMUG] Multipath mitigation

 

Is there an SM side solution for this? We have a handful of customers we have 
to go out twice a year to move their equipment up 5 feet or down 5 feet. In the 
fall, I love to point out they just harvested the field across the road, didnt 
they. theyre always "how did you know" 

 

I could take the loss hit in many of these cases to do a splitter and diverse 
antennas, but would that harm or hurt more?

 

Some of them we just have 2 radios installed a spring and fall radio, we just 
have them swap which ones plugged in. 2 450b SMs leaves a lot of budget for 
something that doesnt require touching

 

One of you geeks has to have come up with a solution over the years other than 
truck rolls. 

 

 


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