A relationship between beliefs and political views would be a self reinforcing cycle. My parents, family, and friends set the initial patterns in my brain. I’m more likely to believe things that fit the existing pattern. I’m more likely to vote for people who express ideas I believe. Seems intuitive.
I didn’t think I was giving people any credit at all, except in the ratio of believing 1 wrong idea per thousand. That’s an appeal to everyone’s conceit. I doubt anyone is actually that good, but nobody would want to accept that 60% of their knowledge of the world is wrong even if there was proof in front of their noses. We all think we’re right, but given the rather drastic differences in points of view I think it’s likely that most of us are somewhat wrong and some of us are mostly wrong, and we all think it’s the other guy who’s mostly wrong. My point is that, while fact must exist, our information feed is so polluted that it’s incredibly laborious to determine what’s actually a fact. We’d be better off with no information than a continuous stream of conflicting information, hence burn the internet. In my early days of tech support we joked about people needing their internet license revoked. Maybe we keep the internet, but the license is a real thing. IETF can create an RFC defining qualifications to post factual content. All RFC fact compliant content is delivered with a flag in the IP header. Non compliant content can be filtered or flagged as potentially bullshit. This is an Orwellian sounding idea, but maybe something developed by a collaborative group like the IETF would be better than something like the Great Firewall of China. Or maybe it will just politicize IETF membership. One way or another we have to cut down the flat earth, artificial hurricane, and other nonsense because unfortunately if it’s out there some people will inevitably believe it. If we can’t control this monster we created then maybe we just have to kill it. Get Outlook for iOS<https://aka.ms/o0ukef> ________________________________ From: AF <[email protected]> on behalf of Steve Jones <[email protected]> Sent: Thursday, October 10, 2024 9:24:57 PM To: AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group <[email protected]> Subject: Re: [AFMUG] OT Weather you have too much faith in people. and attribute too much to their political leanings. over half the country believes you can shoot people in the leg over half the people believe DNA results are a same day thing over half the people believe a bunch of dumb shit pop culture led them to believe. weather can be manipulated, that's only in question by morons, the extent of which it can be done is debatable. it's a certainty that it is more than we are told, but less than we imagine. steering hurricanes isn't even in the realm of possible, but our global governments have proven time and again they are worthy of zero trust. hurricanes in red states, have massive political power, less red voters, less red popular vote (a huge thing to the blue), less voting infrastructure in place, less oversite and more mail in/absentee voting, better change for a blue wave, both very legitimate tools, and powerful, but those hurricanes were natural On Thu, Oct 10, 2024, 4:28 PM <[email protected]<mailto:[email protected]>> wrote: There are people who see the changes and have concluded that it’s weather control by the government. A certain congresswoman made statements about the hurricanes hitting southern red states in the month before the election. Then she clarified that yes she means weather control. Then she doubled down that yes, obviously “they” can control the weather and that it’s a ridiculous lie to say it can’t be done. I’m unclear on how proponents of this idea imagine a Hurricane would impact elections. It reminds me of the Southpark underpants gnomes. Deep State Gnomes Plan to Win Election: 1. Cause hurricanes in red states. 2. ???? 3. Win! I would like to believe it’s a tiny number of crackpots, but I don’t think it’s that simple. I’m scared for the future because everyone has access to so much information and so much of it is bullshit. If I’m exposed to 1000 incorrect ideas and I accept one of them, then I now believe in an incorrect idea, and that incorrect idea will affect how I live my life –including how I vote. I can look at 999 other incorrect ideas and still feel like I’m a discerning and intelligent consumer because I successfully recognized them all as bullshit. So a person can believe the moon landing was fake, and they know they’re not the stupid one because they’re a smart person. They did research and got the information, and they’re not some idiot who’s fooled by complete nonsense like “NOAA creates hurricanes” and “lizard people secretly run the world”. I’ve been using the really crazy examples, but all of our political opinions are being shaped by ideas being fed to us through all manner of media. Odds are that every single one of us has absorbed some bullshit. We may have to burn down the whole Internet for our own good. We are not ready for this power. -Adam From: AF <[email protected]<mailto:[email protected]>> On Behalf Of [email protected]<mailto:[email protected]> Sent: Wednesday, October 09, 2024 2:53 PM To: 'AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group' <[email protected]<mailto:[email protected]>> Subject: Re: [AFMUG] OT Weather I am guessing those that want to deny everything will also deny centuries of weather observation data... Many, perhaps most, resist paradigm change. From: [email protected]<mailto:[email protected]> Sent: Wednesday, October 9, 2024 12:18 PM To: 'AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group' Subject: Re: [AFMUG] OT Weather Come explain this to my whole family, please. I’ll invite you to Thanksgiving dinner. “Here is another fact: All the records indicate a non linear increase in temperatures. So circle back to the beginning, warmer air == more moisture in the air. More moisture in the air makes clouds which make storms and rain. Occam's Razor. “ From: AF <[email protected]<mailto:[email protected]>> On Behalf Of [email protected]<mailto:[email protected]> Sent: Wednesday, October 09, 2024 11:20 AM To: [email protected]<mailto:[email protected]> Subject: [AFMUG] OT Weather I have many friends and acquaintances that love them a good conspiracy theory. I am not given to any conspiracies. Today the subject was HAARP. (Defunct research project to attempt ionospheric heating). I was actually tangentially associated with HAARP for a while. Being a life long ham the prospect of creating a patch of ionosphere that could reflect HF signals any time of the day or night was very exciting. The problem is, it never worked. They learned a whole bunch about the upper atmosphere but the initial promise never worked out. But wow, is there a group believing that the guvmnt can control the weather. Yes, they can with cloud seeding etc but not with HAARP. And control is not really a good word, more like influence. I try to speak reason, share some facts, always falls on deaf ears. HAARP was heating the ionosphere. There ain’t no weather up there. Weather is in the troposphere. Troposcatter can inject a bit of energy in the troposphere but it is 100 times higher frequencies and produces no noticeable increase in temperature. Here is a fact: Warmer air can hold more moisture. Something like 7% per degree. Don’t recall if that was F or C. If you could selectively and effectively heat the atmosphere with something like radiowaves interesting things could happen. Even nefarious things. So far, no system has been demonstrated. Inverse square law governs. If you calculate the specific heat of a large enough volume of air (Like a sphere 20 miles in diameter) the amount of energy needed for the transmitters would be on the scale of several nuclear powered aircraft carriers to power the transmitter. Better just to launch small nukes with cloud seeding fall out. Here is another fact: For as long as there have been thermometers, humans have been keeping a record of temperatures. Some of those old thermometers actually survived so that their inaccuracies could be characterized and their records could be adjusted to modern standards. Here is another fact: All the records indicate a non linear increase in temperatures. So circle back to the beginning, warmer air == more moisture in the air. More moisture in the air makes clouds which make storms and rain. Occam's Razor. ________________________________ -- AF mailing list [email protected]<mailto:[email protected]> http://af.afmug.com/mailman/listinfo/af_af.afmug.com -- AF mailing list [email protected]<mailto:[email protected]> http://af.afmug.com/mailman/listinfo/af_af.afmug.com
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