Interesting.  Have never heard of that.  Are there dangers of the plastic 
cracking etc?
Can you do it with dry ice?  Much easier to get.  


From: fiberrun--- via AF 
Sent: Tuesday, November 5, 2024 10:15 AM
To: af@af.afmug.com 
Cc: fiber...@mail.com 
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] OTDR Recommendations

You can also cold clamp the fiber cable with liquid nitrogen to induce a 
temperature dependent loss event to pin point your location. No cable cutting 
needed.


Jared
  
  
Sent: Thursday, October 31, 2024 at 6:51 PM
From: "Ken Hohhof" <khoh...@kwom.com>
To: "'AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group'" <af@af.afmug.com>
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] OTDR Recommendations
Can you improve the accuracy by testing from both ends?



From: AF <af-boun...@af.afmug.com> On Behalf Of ch...@go-mtc.com
Sent: Thursday, October 31, 2024 12:33 PM
To: AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group <af@af.afmug.com>
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] OTDR Recommendations



Still, length is not an exact science with OTDRs.  Especially if it is a long 
shot.  

Every fiber has a different index of refraction and velocity factor.  And these 
characteristics vary along the entire length of the fiber.

Then there is twist in the tube, wavering routes and slack loops etc.    And 
there is also timebase accuracy, which varies with temperature...



So if you have gopher damage in the desert and the closest hand hole is 10 
miles away, you will have to dig and cut several times before you zero in on 
it.  





From: Dev 

Sent: Thursday, October 31, 2024 10:39 AM

To: AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group 

Subject: Re: [AFMUG] OTDR Recommendations



We had a $300 OTDR. The only thing it didn’t do was estimate length very well 
if it worked at all. 



My friend asked how much money we’d save if we dug up the wrong lady’s yard to 
replace a fiber that wasn’t broken.



Then we bought a Viavi, waited for a show discount. Now we can dig up the right 
lady’s lawn.


 

  On Oct 31, 2024, at 8:14 AM, Josh Luthman <j...@imaginenetworksllc.com> wrote:



  Metronet :P



  On Thu, Oct 31, 2024 at 11:12 AM Mike Hammett <af...@ics-il.net> wrote:

    Josh, which competitor? I've seen similar things out of MetroNet.



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    From: "Josh Luthman" <j...@imaginenetworksllc.com>
    To: "AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group" <af@af.afmug.com>
    Sent: Tuesday, October 29, 2024 6:56:31 PM
    Subject: Re: [AFMUG] OTDR Recommendations

    I thought the same thing.  I had to cancel their service after just a week 
or two because streaming was absolutely a joke (looked to me like their peering 
was full, couldn't get any kind of capacity beyond their network).  They left 
this convenient wall plate with an APC bulkhead just sitting here...



    On Tue, Oct 29, 2024 at 5:29 PM <ch...@go-mtc.com> wrote:

      I have always wanted to connect a source of upstream light to my 
connection at home.  (Served by a competitor).  Wonder how long it would take 
to troubleshoot.  Especially if I made it randomly intermittent and on a timer. 
 Perhaps during the first minute of the superbowl or something...?  
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      From: Jason McKemie 

      Sent: Tuesday, October 29, 2024 3:05 PM

      To: AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group 

      Subject: Re: [AFMUG] OTDR Recommendations



      I know Exfo has units with an optional PON port for connecting to a live 
on-net fiber and testing. Maybe this is more or less standard anymore, my 
current OTDR is a bit dated.

      On Tuesday, October 29, 2024, Josh Luthman <j...@imaginenetworksllc.com> 
wrote:
      > IDK what you mean by PON features unless you want an inline unit to 
watch the traffic.  Veex just came out with one that will do that.  I don't see 
the need, but it is cool.
      > We bought the one (or one like) Cassidy linked and then bought this 
second:
      > 
https://www.amazon.com/gp/product/B0CW3B9ZM8/ref=ppx_yo_dt_b_search_asin_title?ie=UTF8&psc=1
      >
      > Cassidy - get a super cheap/fast PON meter that just reads the light 
from the OLT rather than waiting for the OTDR to boot.  Or just clamp and see 
if there is light - 
https://www.amazon.com/YEDEMC-Optical-Identifier-800-1700nm-Functions/dp/B09JLL6NPM/
      > On Tue, Oct 29, 2024 at 4:45 PM Cassidy B. Larson <c...@infowest.com> 
wrote:
      >>
      >> We’ve been getting these smaller OTDR/VFL/OPMs from Amazon for our 
field techs. This way they can see if there’s a problem with the drop at least. 
If it’s anything past that, the splicers with the fancier/costlier OTDRs get 
involved.  Price point is right and it does what they need it to do.
      >> 
https://www.amazon.com/YEDEMC-Mini-Pro-Mulit-Function-5m-60Km-Dynamic/dp/B092LNWZ4Y/
      >>
      >> -c
      >>
      >> On Oct 29, 2024, at 2:39 PM, Jason McKemie 
<j.mcke...@veloxinetbroadband.com> wrote:
      >> Does anyone have any recommendations for an OTDR that won't break the 
bank but is reasonably easy to use? My Exfo just stopped powering up today, so 
evidently I'm in the market for a new one. The Exfo is about 14 years old, so I 
assume they've come a little ways since then. I don't need anything for super 
long distances, mainly just access, PON features are a plus. --
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