I thought school scheduling was driven by bus scheduling. Who cares if kids
aren't awake and can't learn at 7:30am.---- Original Message ----From: "Adam
Moffett" Sent: 12/11/2024 7:16:53 AMTo: "[email protected]" Subject: Re: [AFMUG]
OT Analogy
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The experience is slightly different here.? My kid's school is almost too
transparent about assignments.? We have an app where we can see his marks on
every assignment, and then my wife can harp on him whenever she sees a zero or
a missing score.? When I was
a kid that would have driven me to rebellion.??
They also have emails and robocalls going out all the time.? We get notified
about every fire drill, any safety incident, and any violence anywhere in the
school district.? I've gotten a few robocalls where the principal explained
that a student had a knife
in school, but nothing actually happened, and they don't believe the student
intended to do anything with it.? I think they must do it to stay ahead of
social media.? I imagine someone hears that a boy scout got his swiss army
knife confiscated and then after
a few spins around Facebook it turns into school sponsored Thunderdome matches
with FEMA issued knives.??
One of the calls was about a bull missing from a pasture.? The bull is not
friendly.? Call the police if you see it.? Do not engage.??
We don't know about their friends except from what they tell us.? It never
crossed my mind to ask the school about that, and I don't know what they would
tell me, if anything.? Maybe I'll try it just for kicks.
The scheduling is about the same.? I don't know the rationale for the length or
start/stop times of the school day.? Maybe it has to do with labor laws?? The
teachers have work before and after school, but I imagine they still aren't
supposed to work more than
40 hours without OT.
-Adam
From:?AF <[email protected]> on behalf of Jan-GAMs
<[email protected]>
Sent:?Wednesday, December 11, 2024 7:27 AM
To:[email protected] <[email protected]>
Subject:?Re: [AFMUG] OT Analogy
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As a parent, I can categorically state the problem is transparency.? The
schools won't even inform parents what the homework assignments are, and
they'll never inform the parent that assignments aren't being turned in until
after the grades are out.? They
also won't inform parents about the "friends" their kids are keeping.? My
other bitch is class timing.? School starts after most parents who have already
left for the job and school gets out hours prior to parents getting off the
job.? I fail to understand
this crap.? How can you expect a child to do well academically when they are
left to their own devices most of the day?
On 12/10/24 14:45,
[email protected]?wrote:
The kids are being secretly helped to transition via so-called counselors.? And
parents are being kept in the dark about it.? We are a very red state in the
reddest county and the schools have a policy preventing parental notification.?
I have no idea what
those teachers sympathetic to the whole trans thing are actually doing in
these meetings with the kids.? They are getting counseling without the
permission of the parents, that is for certain.? I don?t think the schools
should be involved in this at all, at
any level, in any way.?
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But if they want to start helping kids discover their inner alcoholic, I guess
I would say that is equally or more valid.? As the science behind that is much
more solid...
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From:?Darin Steffl
Sent:?Tuesday, December 10, 2024 3:25 PM
To:?AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group
Subject:?Re: [AFMUG] OT Analogy
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I think you're drinking the conspiracy kool-aid with this claim. I'm 33 and
when I was in school, they needed permission to provide me something small like
Tylenol. I have family members who are teachers and kids in our family from
elementary to highschool.
I'm also in Minnesota which has been blue for a long time.
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There is absolutely zero truth to kids being secretly helped to transition with
meds or operations. The claim is absurd.
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The claim that people support secret transition operations is also absurd. I'm
socially liberal and fiscally conservative and this is not anything I would
support. I doubt you'll find any sane adult that supports this. That means the
democratic party absolutely
does not support this either.
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What I and most of the party does support is talking with kids who feel their
gender doesn't match the way they were born. This means therapy, counseling,
consultations with a doctor to talk through everything. Parents should be
involved in the conversations
if the child wants to do anything more than talk. Things like medications and
such should not be provided without parental and doctor involvement. Again,
there is ZERO evidence of schools providing any sort of medical treatment,
prescriptions, or operations
in secret to kids. Any such claim to the contrary is absurd. They don't have
enough money for class supplies as it is.
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What I do support is the school keeping the gender identity and sexuality
private from parents IF the child feels the parents will be abusive to them if
they come out. There's plenty of examples of strict or religious parents who
would abuse or kick out a child
if they came out as trans or LGBT. The privacy protection is something I'm
onboard with. Anything more than counseling should not be allowed until parents
are involved and a doctor agrees with any plans. Ideally, no physical
operations will happen until they're
18 under any circumstances.
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This is my opinion as a slightly left of center voter. Republicans should be in
full support of these views as the self proclaimed "freedom party".
Unfortunately they've repositioned themselves to be in favor of government
control with: book bans, white washing
history, controlling women's Healthcare, trying to ban same sex marriage,
forcing religion (specifically Christianity) into public schools, threatening
to imprison the media and people who speak out against them. Republicans are
not about freedom anymore since
Trump became popular. I hope once he's done with his second term that the
party can return to normal.
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On Tue, Dec 10, 2024, 5:55?PM Ken Hohhof <[email protected]> wrote:
K-12 schools I am familiar with won't give out a Tylenol without parents
permission, I'm not sure if they can apply a bandaid. So I'm skeptical about
the meds part.
---- Original Message ----
From: [email protected]
Sent: 12/10/2024 1:28:27 PM
To: [email protected]
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] OT Analogy
OK, how can I strengthen the analogy?? I kinda want it to have a bit of a
gotcha effect.?
I am purposely trying to be a bit vague as to practitioner and meds.?
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From:?Bill Prince
Sent:?Tuesday, December 10, 2024 12:07 PM
To:[email protected]
Subject:?Re: [AFMUG] OT Analogy
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That's why context is so important. "Practitioner" is pretty subjective, as is
"meds".? What if the meds were LSD, methamphetamine, psilocybin,? morphine?
What if the practitioner were RFK Jr?
Analogy is weak.
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bp
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On 12/10/2024 9:17 AM, [email protected] wrote:
Does this idea work:
Say the school observes/detects a certain trait in your kid.? The kid seemingly
agrees with the people at the school.? They think that if they can get the kid
treatment, the kid will be much happier and relaxed.
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So they pursue some counseling for the kid and help the kid obtain some
treatment meds from a practitioner.?
All without the knowledge of the parents.
Seemingly the kid is happier and more well adjusted.? They become gregarious
and outgoing and find it easier to find friends.?
Nobody seems to tell the kid or be worried about the long term physical and
mental effects.?
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Some folks in this nation think this is totally OK.?
All for the kid right.
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Now, a few details I left out:
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The teacher thinks the kid might be an alcoholic.? There is some science that
hints that alcholism is genetic.? The school thinks that it might be helpful
for the kid to explore the world of alcohol.? They give the kid some books on
mixology etc.? So they set
up a kid bar with a bar tender to give them their meds during the day.?
Spectacular results right.
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