On Dec 10, 2024, at 6:31 PM, Ken Hohhof <[email protected]> wrote:
I’ve never understood why devoutly religious people have the
biggest problem with gender dysphoric people. Surely God made
them that way, and God does not make mistakes. That’s not me
saying that, I have a loosey goosey relationship with organized
religion. But that’s how I imagine deeply religious people
thinking. Like maybe Sheldon’s mom?
If you’ve ever known a transgender person, the people who say
it’s just men who decide to become women so they can go in the
womens bathroom and assault women, that seems simplistic and mean
spirited. Or whenever I hear the term “lifestyle”, I know it’s
talking points time. Like people who choose the gay lifestyle.
Why do we never near about choosing the asshole lifestyle? I’m
not sure we can blame God for that one, it does seem like a
lifestyle choice.
Not targeting any of these comments at you, BTW.
*From:*AF <[email protected]> *On Behalf Of *[email protected]
*Sent:* Tuesday, December 10, 2024 6:57 PM
*To:* AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group <[email protected]>
*Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] OT Analogy
I apologize for starting this thread. I was just wanting to put
a bit of polish on my purposely provocative analogy. I still
think it a fun thought having teachers help kids come out and
admit they are alcoholics. I can see this being an SNL skit.
Maybe they will pay me lotsa money for writing this skit for
them.... (see, you do not have to be trans to be delusional).
Ken, I prefer the term “cross dresser”... My kids also had
friends that felt they were some how born wrong. But with them
the kids just became butch lesbians and are seemingly happy. We
run into them now and then.
*From:*Jason McKemie
*Sent:*Tuesday, December 10, 2024 5:33 PM
*To:*AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group
*Subject:*Re: [AFMUG] OT Analogy
On Tue, Dec 10, 2024 at 5:44 PM <[email protected]> wrote:
Lessee.... I was trying to be ridiculous, but I feel a bit of
an impulse to provide some serious counterpoint here, this is
bound to be a bad idea:
“Unfortunately they've repositioned themselves to be in favor
of government control with: book bans, white washing history,
controlling women's Healthcare, trying to ban same sex
marriage, forcing religion (specifically Christianity) into
public schools, threatening to imprison the media and people
who speak out against them. “
*Book Bans*. Yes, grade school kids do not need books
describing gay anal rape etc. Kids need to be allowed to
grow up protected from the gritty truths of the world. Book
bans are necessary to prevent greater harm.
Book bans cover more than these sensationalist topics, reasonable
people can agree not all books should be in a school library.
*White washing history*. History is there for the reading,
more content and transparency than ever before. What has
been labeled “white washing” is in reality an attempt to
bring balance to the narrative in public schools. If you
keep teaching “whitey is bad” then how do you ever expect
people to be allowed to change? The pendulum swings.
Critical race theory and some similar things are a bit out of
control IMO. This definitely depends on the school you attend,
they never taught this stuff at my school (I'm pretty sure they
still don't teach it there).
*Controlling women’s healthcare*. Call it what it really is,
Abortion. And for the majority of the world Abortion ==
Murder of an innocent child. This will never change. So don’t
“whitewash” it by calling murder “health care”. Almost all
sides understand there are medically necessary abortions and
most are not arguing about those. This is a red herring.
Moreover Trump said it is a states rights thing, he is
right. Read the constitution, anything not explicitly
delineated or enumerated in the constitution is delegated to
the control of the states. Don’t like what your state is
doing, work to change it there.
The argument that it is a child carries a ton of religious
baggage. I would agree that it should be a state decision - many
in the Republican party do not agree. There are also many other
reproductive issues that fall into grey areas when abortion is
outlawed.
*Religion into schools*: Our whole legal system, actually the
legal system of the entire western world is derived from
Exodus chapter 20. The 10 commandments. Putting the original
codified law, the list governing behavior is not an injection
of Christianity into the world of your precious little
liberals kiddies. It is a display of the origins of western
civilization. And the fact that supposedly believe in the
“Rule of Law” What better exhibit than to display the origin
of that.
I think you can teach kids the facts about religion without
indoctrination, again I think this varies based on school district.
Who is imprisoning media personalities? You mean like Biden
having the FBI force Facebook and Twitter to silence and
block their critics?
*From:*Jason McKemie
*Sent:*Tuesday, December 10, 2024 4:19 PM
*To:*AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group
*Subject:*Re: [AFMUG] OT Analogy
Very well stated.
I hope both political parties can get closer to center in the
next few years (this is the only way our democracy can
function properly), but I'm not holding my breath. The
current situation with the Republican party is only going to
make things worse on both sides of the aisle.
On Tue, Dec 10, 2024 at 4:26 PM Darin Steffl
<[email protected]> wrote:
I think you're drinking the conspiracy kool-aid with this
claim. I'm 33 and when I was in school, they needed
permission to provide me something small like Tylenol. I
have family members who are teachers and kids in our
family from elementary to highschool. I'm also in
Minnesota which has been blue for a long time.
There is absolutely zero truth to kids being secretly
helped to transition with meds or operations. The claim
is absurd.
The claim that people support secret transition
operations is also absurd. I'm socially liberal and
fiscally conservative and this is not anything I would
support. I doubt you'll find any sane adult that supports
this. That means the democratic party absolutely does not
support this either.
What I and most of the party does support is talking with
kids who feel their gender doesn't match the way they
were born. This means therapy, counseling, consultations
with a doctor to talk through everything. Parents should
be involved in the conversations if the child wants to do
anything more than talk. Things like medications and such
should not be provided without parental and doctor
involvement. Again, there is ZERO evidence of schools
providing any sort of medical treatment, prescriptions,
or operations in secret to kids. Any such claim to the
contrary is absurd. They don't have enough money for
class supplies as it is.
What I do support is the school keeping the gender
identity and sexuality private from parents IF the child
feels the parents will be abusive to them if they come
out. There's plenty of examples of strict or religious
parents who would abuse or kick out a child if they came
out as trans or LGBT. The privacy protection is something
I'm onboard with. Anything more than counseling should
not be allowed until parents are involved and a doctor
agrees with any plans. Ideally, no physical operations
will happen until they're 18 under any circumstances.
This is my opinion as a slightly left of center voter.
Republicans should be in full support of these views as
the self proclaimed "freedom party". Unfortunately
they've repositioned themselves to be in favor of
government control with: book bans, white washing
history, controlling women's Healthcare, trying to ban
same sex marriage, forcing religion (specifically
Christianity) into public schools, threatening to
imprison the media and people who speak out against them.
Republicans are not about freedom anymore since Trump
became popular. I hope once he's done with his second
term that the party can return to normal.
On Tue, Dec 10, 2024, 5:55 PM Ken Hohhof
<[email protected]> wrote:
K-12 schools I am familiar with won't give out a
Tylenol without parents permission, I'm not sure if
they can apply a bandaid. So I'm skeptical about the
meds part.
---- Original Message ----
From: [email protected]
Sent: 12/10/2024 1:28:27 PM
To: [email protected]
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] OT Analogy
OK, how can I strengthen the analogy? I kinda want
it to have a bit of a gotcha effect.
I am purposely trying to be a bit vague as to
practitioner and meds.
*From:*Bill Prince
*Sent:*Tuesday, December 10, 2024 12:07 PM
*To:*[email protected]
*Subject:*Re: [AFMUG] OT Analogy
That's why context is so important. "Practitioner" is
pretty subjective, as is "meds". What if the meds
were LSD, methamphetamine, psilocybin, morphine?
What if the practitioner were RFK Jr?
Analogy is weak.
bp
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On 12/10/2024 9:17 AM, [email protected] wrote:
Does this idea work:
Say the school observes/detects a certain trait
in your kid. The kid seemingly agrees with the
people at the school. They think that if they can
get the kid treatment, the kid will be much
happier and relaxed.
So they pursue some counseling for the kid and
help the kid obtain some treatment meds from a
practitioner.
All without the knowledge of the parents.
Seemingly the kid is happier and more well
adjusted. They become gregarious and outgoing and
find it easier to find friends.
Nobody seems to tell the kid or be worried about
the long term physical and mental effects.
Some folks in this nation think this is totally OK.
All for the kid right.
Now, a few details I left out:
The teacher thinks the kid might be an alcoholic.
There is some science that hints that alcholism
is genetic. The school thinks that it might be
helpful for the kid to explore the world of
alcohol. They give the kid some books on
mixology etc. So they set up a kid bar with a bar
tender to give them their meds during the day.
Spectacular results right.
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