Are you smelling toast by any chance?
From: Bill Prince
Sent: Monday, February 17, 2025 10:19 AM
To: [email protected]
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] DOGE website (www.doge.gov)
Who says they don't?
bp
<part15sbs{at}gmail{dot}com>On 2/17/2025 7:00 AM, Chuck wrote:
Why should a black student have to have the stars and bars everyday. Jewish
school kid see the nazi flag at the front of the classroom everyday.
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On Feb 16, 2025, at 5:49 PM, Bill Prince mailto:[email protected] wrote:
Why should we hide flags that are part of history?
bp
<part15sbs{at}gmail{dot}com>On 2/16/2025 2:42 PM, Chuck wrote:
Why should school kids have to face controversial special group flags as
part of their daily life?
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On Feb 16, 2025, at 3:42 PM, Bill Prince mailto:[email protected]
wrote:
I would include the rainbow, MAGA, and KKK flags in that definition.
Probably dozens of others.
bp
<part15sbs{at}gmail{dot}com>On 2/16/2025 1:28 PM, Chuck wrote:
It is posting flags in school rooms. Limited to nations, states and
NA tribes. Not at all unreasonable. Images of other flags can be shown if
they contribute to teaching a historical event.
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On Feb 16, 2025, at 2:06 PM, Bill Prince mailto:[email protected]
wrote:
If it's only posting colors/flags as part of a curriculum, I would
support all flags, including KKK and MAGA. Rainbow flags are now part of the
historical record, and I would put them in the same category.
I have a completely different view of what flags can be displayed
publicly. I suppose it's a free speech issue, but I don't really look
approvingly of people who might display KKK, Nazi, or Confederate flags.
bp
<part15sbs{at}gmail{dot}com>On 2/16/2025 7:04 AM, Chuck wrote:
Images shown as part of a history lesson is far different from
posting colors. They only allow colors from tribes, states and nations to be
posted. I support the proposed law. Do you really want MAGA and KKK flags to
be allowed?
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On Feb 15, 2025, at 7:11 PM, Bill Prince
mailto:[email protected] wrote:
Just saw this.
https://www.yahoo.com/news/utah-law-allow-nazi-confederate-160556024.html
Scratch Utah from the places I want to visit.
bp
<part15sbs{at}gmail{dot}com>On 2/15/2025 4:55 PM, Jason McKemie wrote:
I guess you could call the executives that ran ENRON
"turnaround artists" as well, I want that sort of behavior far away from my
government though. I've heard the argument many times that our institutions
will provide the guardrails to keep our democracy healthy. They can't do their
job if they no longer exist or are gutted. Hopefully the judicial branch will
provide some resistance to this nonsense, but we're going to be staring down
the barrel of a constitutional crisis if the current administration just
ignores judgements they don't like.
I'm all for getting rid of bureaucratic bloat and waste,
that's not what this is though.
On Sat, Feb 15, 2025, 6:42 PM Chuck <[email protected]> wrote:
When large publically traded companies are on the rocks
they bring in a new CEO to turn things around, sometimes parting it out. Our
nation is the largest publicly owned business on the planet. It has some turn
around artists at the helm. Sit back and watch the show. Some good may come
of all of this. Highly entertaining at the least. The republic is very likely
to survive and could actually benefit from a good house cleaning,
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On Feb 15, 2025, at 6:17 PM, Jason McKemie
<[email protected]> wrote:
This seems about par for the course with these guys.
Scary stuff.
I love how this administration uses the term "maximally
transparent", or some derivation thereof everywhere they can. I guess if you
say it enough, it must be true, right?
On Sat, Feb 15, 2025 at 5:59 PM Ken Hohhof
<[email protected]> wrote:
https://www.wired.com/story/doge-website-is-just-one-big-x-ad/
DOGE’s Website Is Just One Big X Ad
The source code for the new Department of Government
Efficiency’s “official US government website” points to X as its primary source
of authority, while sharing links to the site sends users to x.com.
At a press conference in the Oval Office this week,
Elon Musk promised the actions of his so-called Department of Government
Efficiency (DOGE) project would be “maximally transparent,” thanks to
information posted to its website.
At the time of his comment, the DOGE website was empty.
However, when the site finally came online Thursday morning, it turned out to
be little more than a glorified feed of posts from the official DOGE account on
Musk’s own X platform, raising new questions about Musk’s conflicts of interest
in running DOGE.
DOGE.gov claims to be an “official website of the
United States government,” but rather than giving detailed breakdowns of the
cost savings and efficiencies Musk claims his project is making, the homepage
of the site just replicated posts from the DOGE account on X.
A WIRED review of the page’s source code shows that the
promotion of Musk’s own platform went deeper than replicating the posts on the
homepage. The source code shows that the site’s canonical tags direct search
engines to x.com rather than DOGE.gov.
A canonical tag is a snippet of code that tells search
engines what the authoritative version of a website is. It is typically used by
sites with multiple pages as a search engine optimization tactic, to avoid
their search ranking being diluted.
In DOGE’s case, however, the code is informing search
engines that when people search for content found on DOGE.gov, they should not
show those pages in search results, but should instead display the posts on X.
“It is promoting the X account as the main source, with
the website secondary,” Declan Chidlow, a web developer, tells WIRED. “This
isn't usually how things are handled, and it indicates that the X account is
taking priority over the actual website itself.”
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All the other US government websites WIRED checked used
their own homepage in their canonical tags, including the official White House
website. Additionally, when sharing the DOGE website on mobile devices, the
source code creates a link to the DOGE X account rather than the website itself.
“It seems that the DOGE website is secondary, and they
are prodding people in the direction of the X account everywhere they can,”
Chidlow adds.
Alongside the homepage feed of X posts, a section of
Doge.gov labeled “Savings” now appears. So far the page is empty except for a
single line that reads: “Receipts coming soon, no later than Valentine's day,”
followed by a heart emoji.
A section entitled “Workforce” features some bar charts
showing how many people work in each government agency, with the information
coming from data gathered by the Office of Personnel Management in March 2024.
A disclaimer at the bottom of the page reads: “This is
DOGE's effort to create a comprehensive, government-wide org chart. This is an
enormous effort, and there are likely some errors or omissions. We will
continue to strive for maximum accuracy over time.”
Another section, entitled “Regulations,” features what
DOGE calls the “Unconstitutionality Index,” which it describes as “the number
of agency rules created by unelected bureaucrats for each law passed by
Congress in 2024.”
The charts in this section are also based on data
previously collected by US government agencies. Doge.gov also links to a Forbes
article from last month that was written by Clyde Wayne Crews, a member of the
Heartland Institute, a conservative think tank that pushed climate change
disinformation and questioned the links between tobacco and lung cancer. It is
also a major advocate for privatizing government departments.
The site also features a “Join” page which allows
prospective DOGE employees to apply for roles including “software engineers,
InfoSec engineers, and other technology professionals.” As well as requesting a
Github account and résumé, the form asks visitors to “provide 2-3 bullet points
showcasing exceptional ability.”
The website does not list a developer, but on
Wednesday, web application security expert Sam Curry outlined in a thread on X
how he was able to identify the developer of the site as DOGE employee Kyle
Shutt.
Curry claims he was able to link a Cloudflare account
ID found in the site’s source code to Shutt, who used the same account when
developing Musk’s America PAC website.
On Thursday, Drop Site News reported, citing sources
within FEMA, that Shutt had gained access to the agency’s proprietary software
controlling payments. Earlier this week, Business Insider reported that Shutt,
who recently worked at an AI interviewing software company, was listed as one
of 30 people working for DOGE.
Neither Shutt, DOGE, nor the White House responded to
requests for comment.
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