It was a big deal last fall when United mandated the 50/50 thing. Charlie Kirk got excoriated as a racist when he commented that their policy would make him wonder every time he saw a black or female pilot in the cockpit. His detractors cherry pick and snip only the last few words of his whole spiel. Sent from my iPhone
> On Sep 23, 2025, at 10:26 AM, Adam Moffett <[email protected]> wrote: > > > Is this a spinoff from one of the other threads that I stopped paying > attention to? > > Where does this HR scenario come from? It sounds absurd. > > If the absurd scenario is real, then there are two solutions: > Tell the HR director that it's impossible. If they don't yield on the > policy, then go over their head. Someone, at some level, will understand the > math. > Go out and find women and minorities and pay for them to get pilot training > so that you artificially increase the available pool of woman and minority > pilots. You're not lowering the standard of training; you're just putting > more people through it. This is HR's idea, so paying for it has to come from > their budget. If HR doesn't want to pay for this then refer to solution #1. > > You said, "Only one way, reduce the number of hours required". I don't see > how that's actually a way to get the numbers. Does the airline HR department > have control over the ATP certification? I would not have assumed that > reducing the number of hours required was within their power. > > -Adam > > > From: AF <[email protected]> on behalf of [email protected] > <[email protected]> > Sent: Tuesday, September 23, 2025 11:46 AM > To: 'AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group' <[email protected]> > Subject: [AFMUG] OT Some more stats > > Seems airlines hire 5000 new pilots each year. (from one unknown source) > There are 10,000 new ATP certificates granted each year but half of them wash > out or pause flying prior to earning the coveted 5000 hours that you need to > become a first officer. > > So, seems supply exactly equals demand (roughly). Other sources are saying > there is a shortage. > > Now, add an artifical restriction, of that 5000 fully qualified ATPs, your HR > department says half have to be black/women. > > Only 5% of that pool are women. So, there are 250 available. > Only 4% of pool are black. So that will get you 200. > 450 total per year but your HR department mandated 10X that amount. > > How will you fill that requirement? Only one way, reduce the number of hours > required. But even if you took it all the way down to the 1500 hours it > takes to the the ATP you will still only have 900 available to fill 5X the > requirement. And you will have 450 underqualified people sitting in the > right seat in front. > > I doubt the figure I found for needing 5000 new pilots industry wide. I > think it is low. I found another number saying that United Airlines (the > one that had that DEI policy for a while) uses about 2000 new ones each year. > Seems that United uses 40% of the pilots each year? In any event, that would > make the numbers still work out in a similar fashion. Mandate 1000 where > there are only 450 available assuming your company gets all 450. > > It’s math bitch, not racism. > -- > AF mailing list > [email protected] > http://af.afmug.com/mailman/listinfo/af_af.afmug.com
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