On Oct 23, 2025, at 1:31 AM, Jason McKemie
<[email protected]> wrote:
It seems very telling that when they blew up a boat and people
survived, they sent them back to their home country vs
prosecuting them. You can't introduce that testimony into the
public record.
On Wed, Oct 22, 2025, 11:44 PM Ken Hohhof <[email protected]> wrote:
Replying to myself, which is perhaps a sign I should be in
therapy, but I just realized one reason why the Coast Guard
is underappreciated or at least unknown compared to Army,
Navy, Air Force and Marines. They are part of DHS not DOD.
But now that DOD is calling itself the Department of War,
maybe DHS is just fine. Although one is Hegseth and the
other is Noem, so flip a coin.
Coast Guard is also much smaller, has a smaller budget, and
a much smaller PR budget. No money to toot their own horn.
*From:*AF <[email protected]> *On Behalf Of *Ken Hohhof
*Sent:* Wednesday, October 22, 2025 10:50 PM
*To:* 'AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group' <[email protected]>
*Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] now we're blowing up boats in the Pacific
Yeah, but if it’s on the ocean, I’d prefer to see a Hawaii
Five 0 style chase. With McGarrett in a speedboat, and at
the end he says “book ‘em, Danno”.
Besides, I think the Coasties are an underappreciated branch
of the US military.
*From:*AF <[email protected]> *On Behalf Of *Steve Jones
*Sent:* Wednesday, October 22, 2025 8:31 PM
*To:* AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group <[email protected]>
*Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] now we're blowing up boats in the Pacific
I prefer to see cartels bombed. When they started moving the
fent, they chose bombs. A little nose candy here and there,
some dope, a little crystal, even some heroin was
manageable. But these ducks decided to move shit that one
mistake kills. Fuckbag dealers are putting it it club drugs
and on vicodins. Kids don't have a chance to make a mistake.
Bomb the shit out of them. Sink their boats, cut their life
jackets, chum the waters, I don't care as long as they die.
They don't want to give our kids a second chance, their
adults deserve as terrible a death as possible. Idgaf about
human rights, they don't, and I have no interest in the high
road.
On Wed, Oct 22, 2025, 6:45 PM Dev <[email protected]>
wrote:
Turns out drug dealers sometimes get shot, who knew?
Maybe they were delivering critical supplies to
orphanages, because speedboats with three engines mean
urgent care is being delivered expeditiously?
On Oct 22, 2025, at 3:03 PM, Ken Hohhof
<[email protected]> wrote:
Article on the latest generation of US Coast Guard
“Over The Horizon” boats.
https://www.workboat.com/shipbuilding/test-driving-the-coast-guard-s-new-over-the-horizon-cutter-boat
Generally deployed from a ramp on the back of a
larger cutter along with helicopters. These things
vaguely remind me of the WWII PT boats.
I would not want to try and outrun the Coast Guard.
*From:* AF <[email protected]> *On Behalf Of
*Adam Moffett
*Sent:* Wednesday, October 22, 2025 4:24 PM
*To:* 'AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group'
<[email protected]>
*Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] now we're blowing up boats in
the Pacific
Yes, and that's the primary argument against this
practice. If we have solid intel that they're
carrying drugs, and we know where they are, then as
soon as they enter our territorial waters we can
board the boat and arrest them. The Coast Guard
doesn't need a warrant or even a specific reason to
board a boat. Some of those boats are faster than
Cutters, but I don't have solid info on how often
they actually escape when they're already being
tracked. It's hard to imagine they really get away
often because the Coast Guard also has helicopters,
and they're allowed to continue a pursuit into
international waters (and onto land) as long as the
pursuit started in US waters.
Regardless of how often they really get away, it's
not normal to blow up someone's boat as a law
enforcement action. We also don't execute drug
traffickers, and even when the state executes
someone there's a trial first.
but.....
* post-911 we treat foreign terrorist
organizations as enemy combatants
* the executive branch gets to decide who counts
as an FTO. The sec of state, sec of treasury,
and attorney general all have to agree, but they
also all have the same boss.
* Nobody can really stop the executive branch from
declaring an FTO.
o Congress could pass a bill to override
someone's listing as an FTO, but to date
they've never done it.
o The courts could overturn an FTO listing,
but for a lot of reasons it's almost
impossible.
So effectively the President and/or their cabinet
has a completely legal pathway to authorize military
force against just about anyone, and there's very
little anyone can do about it. It's not that I have
sympathy for drug smugglers, it's that all we can do
is take someone's word for it that it was a drug
smuggler. If anyone is totally comfortable with
that then I'm curious what your rationale is.
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*From:* AF <[email protected]> on behalf of
Ken Hohhof <[email protected]>
*Sent:* Wednesday, October 22, 2025 3:00 PM
*To:* 'AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group'
<[email protected]>
*Subject:* [AFMUG] now we're blowing up boats in the
Pacific
_https://x.com/SecWar/status/1981049943306752361
<https://x.com/SecWar/status/1981049943306752361>_
I thought the Coast Guard was able to intercept
boats and board them, arrest people and confiscate
cargo. I seem to remember they specifically
acquired high speed boats that were a match for
anything a drug runner might have.
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