Jason,
You have missed the whole point. Lets say you are 100% correct in your
opinion, it doesn't matter. You will never convince the other side. Just like
if the other side was 100%correct they would never be able to convince you. So
both sides will just default back to calling each other names.
Just keep fueling the hate.......
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Mark mailto:[email protected]
Myakka Communications
www.Myakka.com
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Sunday, January 25, 2026, 7:56:45 PM, you wrote:
> There is zero evidence that Pretti was picking a fight. He had a handgun on
> him, it was holstered until the ICE officer removed it himself. Where are the
> 2nd amendment people on this? Now carrying a weapon (legally, mind you)
> around law enforcement is justification for deadly force? I've watched a
> couple of the recordings and the administration is outright lying about this.
> Full stop.
> On Sun, Jan 25, 2026, 5:49 PM Mark - Myakka Technologies via AF
> <[email protected]> wrote:
>> Trump Bad, Trump Good, ICE Bad, ICE Good, Renee Bystander, Renee Domestic
>> Terrorist, Alex Bystander, Alex Domestic Terrorist. It is pointless to
>> discuss these topics. People are too far entrenched in their opinions.
>> Nothing one side can say will ever change the mind of the other side. The
>> two sides will watch the exact same videos and come up with polar opposite
>> opinions of what happened. Even if something is proven as complete fact by
>> one side, it will be dismissed as false news or a cover up by the other side.
>>
>> My question is why Minnesota, specifically Minneapolis and St. Paul. Why
>> has it become so violent and filled with hate just there. We do not see
>> this level of hate anywhere else in the country. ICE seems to be making
>> arrests without incident all around the rest of the country.
>>
>> What makes an intelligent man (ICU Nurse) decide he is going to grab his gun
>> and go fight ICE agents. What happen to this man's thought process? Does
>> anyone here have that level of hate where they will decide to grab their gun
>> and venture out in sub-zero weather looking to pick a fight with armed ICE
>> agents?
>>
>> When did it become acceptable to storm a church during a service? Protest
>> outside if you want, but storming in during a service. Where did this hate
>> come from. Trump or Waltz, depends what side you are on. I pretty sure the
>> people storming the church had more hate than the people inside the church
>> in this case.
>>
>> The ICE agents are there to do a job, like it or not. I don't understand
>> when it became acceptable to interfere in an arrest that you know nothing
>> about. You may agree or disagree with Trump's policies, but that does not
>> mean you can interfere with law enforcement doing their job. Like it or
>> not, believe it or not, they are arresting some bad people. They also are
>> making some questionable arrests. But being an "observer" that knows
>> nothing about what the arrest is about and interfering in not the answer.
>>
>> This is only going to get worst. The ICE agents are very skittish with good
>> reason. One could argue that in most situations they may be in fear of
>> their lives. It is just a matter of time before an ICE agent is killed.
>> There will be more "observer" deaths. Some will celebrate while others rage.
>> End of the day it is very sad whenever someone dies for no good reason.
>>
>> Some will say Trump just has to back down, others will say Waltz needs to
>> get control of his State. I fear neither of these men will do this and more
>> deaths will result.
>>
>> Blame whoever you want, continue the name calling, continue the fear
>> mongering, fuel the hate, It is truly a sad time in our history.
>>
>>
>> --
>> Best regards,
>> Mark mailto:[email protected]
>>
>> ------
>> Sunday, January 25, 2026, 3:01:58 PM, you wrote:
>>> So what I am hearing from you, Chuck, between the lines, is that you abet
>>> the murder of Alex Pretti? That the actions of ICE in MN is ok because of
>>> the premise of removing "illegal" immigrants?
>>> Come on I thought you understood that the legitimacy of a small good isn't
>>> justification of evil. The lies that were put forth right off the bat in
>>> the murder of Alex are not, in any circumstance, justifiable. Not to
>>> someone who truly believes the Mormon religion.
>>> I am not Mormon, but a large part of my family is. And they are some of
>>> the best people I am related to.
>>> I stay in this shit filled room because I believe that just leaving doesn't
>>> do anything to clean up the crap.
>>> Your saying that part of what DJT does justifies the rest of what he does
>>> sounds like those who looked the other way in Germany in 1936. OH look he
>>> has saved the economy and built the autobahn. Look deeper into the
>>> government and economy that Hitler built and you find it was all debt
>>> financing and without the war is was just about to destroy itself. And
>>> guess what is going on in the US right now. EXACTLY THE SAME.
>>> I consider myself centrist. But there is now and never a way to justify
>>> the way that ICE is violating the constitution and the blessing of that by
>>> the current administration. This has nothing to do with previous
>>> administrations except for the contribution that they had in creating
>>> justifications for people to create what we have Now.. Now we have to be
>>> clear that what is going on is NOT ok. And being indifferent to it is
>>> abetting it. Going and saying that people who are being aghast at what is
>>> going on have TDS is saying you are on the side of the federal government
>>> taking people filming or helping someone up off the street and killing them
>>> is a country that is good with you. Basically you are agreeing with the
>>> tenants of a National Socialist Workers Party. And that anyone who isn't
>>> is subject to Jail and death. You can kick me out of this group if you
>>> want but taunting me to leave or shut up isn't going to work. That's what
>>> bullies do.
>>> I am directing this to you, Chuck, because you are/were the heart of this
>>> list. The members here are hear because of what you gathered around you,
>>> very much including me. To find out you bless someone of what DJT does
>>> makes it alright for what else he does sounds like the teasings of the
>>> devil have embraced you. And that makes me sad.
>>> On 1/25/26 8:51 AM, Chuck McCown wrote:
>>>> I used to believe that the big L Democrats, AKA "party of the elites" were
>>>> full of educated, well read, literate, urbane, compassionate basket
>>>> weavers – But when one does ad hominim postings like this, devoid of
>>>> example and cogent argument – kinda proves the point that big L TDS folk
>>>> are more hateful and ignorant than the illiterate, unwashed, toothless,
>>>> rednecked, guns and god, deplorables.
>>>>
>>>> QED
>>>>
>>>> But yet you remain in the shit filled room… odd.
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> From: AF [mailto:[email protected]] On Behalf Of Dietrich Rushing
>>>> via AF
>>>> Sent: Sunday, January 25, 2026 8:05 AM
>>>> To: [email protected]
>>>> Cc: Dietrich Rushing <[email protected]>
>>>> Subject: Re: [AFMUG] OT - Greenland
>>>>
>>>> When your in a shit fill room, aren't the smartest people the ones who
>>>> leave first?
>>>> Hard to think anyone with a brain would ever support Trump or MAGA.
>>>> All the calls for "no talk of politics" is delusional when its this
>>>> impactful to everyones lives, typically spewed by "the right" cowards and
>>>> other deplorables who can't defend their positions.
>>>> On 1/24/26 11:32 AM, Chuck McCown wrote:
>>>>> If I did move the list to my own servers it would probably update
>>>>> faster…. But I am lazy…..
>>>>> Interesting, seems only liberals get pissed and leave. I wonder what a
>>>>> sociologist would have to say about that…
>>>>>
>>>>> From: AF [mailto:[email protected]] On Behalf Of Chuck McCown
>>>>> Sent: Saturday, January 24, 2026 10:19 AM
>>>>> To: 'AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group' <[email protected]>
>>>>> Subject: Re: [AFMUG] OT - Greenland
>>>>>
>>>>> Yeah…. I love a good pot stir.
>>>>>
>>>>> I think you would fail the Turing test for the wrong reasons though…
>>>>>
>>>>> From: AF [mailto:[email protected]] On Behalf Of Bill Prince
>>>>> Sent: Saturday, January 24, 2026 10:05 AM
>>>>> To: [email protected]
>>>>> Subject: Re: [AFMUG] OT - Greenland
>>>>>
>>>>> Especially with AIs like me stirring the pot.
>>>>>
>>>>> bp
>>>>> <part15sbs{at}gmail{dot}com>
>>>>> On 1/24/2026 8:47 AM, Chuck McCown wrote:
>>>>>> You got three choices”
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Take your own advice and “don’t post this political shit. “
>>>>>> Because it is all opinion. Full of falsehoods, rhetoric, hyperbole and
>>>>>> minor particles of truth totally surrounded by horseshit. Yours more
>>>>>> than most in my opinion.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Or just sit back and enjoy the game.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Or you can leave. Like you say, it is a terrible platform… Why would
>>>>>> you want to even hang around here…
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>> From: AF [mailto:[email protected]] On Behalf Of Ryan Ray
>>>>>> Sent: Friday, January 23, 2026 7:41 PM
>>>>>> To: AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group <[email protected]>
>>>>>> Subject: Re: [AFMUG] OT - Greenland
>>>>>>
>>>>>> I just went back and looked, and my first post here was in 2012. So
>>>>>> maybe not 20 years here, but 13.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> I can remember some pretty garbage times on this list every time
>>>>>> politics get raised, even to the point of certain people leaving,
>>>>>> because this is a terrible platform to trump(et) your views. Been on the
>>>>>> internet for over 30 years and not once have I seen sane political
>>>>>> discourse on message boards or social media. It's even worse with
>>>>>> astroturfing in every direction, literal bots riling up people in
>>>>>> whatever direction Russia or India or China wants. You've seen it,
>>>>>> you've seen the bot problems on all social media, and yet David talks
>>>>>> about the USA standing up to Russia like they're doing fucking anything
>>>>>> about it. Other countries try to get rid of the garbage social media
>>>>>> companies from the USA and trumpster unilaterally threatens tariffs and
>>>>>> cries like a little baby.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> The fact that the USA has gone so far down the path that you literally
>>>>>> have a man who apparently can do whatever they want with no consequences
>>>>>> is the broke brain part of my statements. A literal rapist, thief. Cool.
>>>>>> Nice job. You guys did it. Build the wall and ya'll can sort each-other
>>>>>> out.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Pick and choose your platforms, figure out what is real and what isn't.
>>>>>> Go talk to people in the physical world. You'll get to understand your
>>>>>> fellow man a lot quicker and if your aim is to make change.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> On Fri, Jan 23, 2026 at 5:51 PM Chuck <[email protected]> wrote:
>>>>>>> OT in the subject line frequently means political shit. Many have been
>>>>>>> hanging here 20 years. We can bitch without having social media
>>>>>>> algorithms listening. There is an animal farm FB group but it is
>>>>>>> unused. I think..
>>>>>>> Sent from my iPhone
>>>>>>>> On Jan 23, 2026, at 5:56 PM, Ryan Ray <[email protected]> wrote:
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> David, you are honestly clueless, there is nothing that can be said to
>>>>>>>> you to get you to see the light. This is extremely typical with your
>>>>>>>> ilk. You can see it in your responses of things like "libs" or "the
>>>>>>>> left"
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> Have a good day, stop posting political shit here.
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> On Fri, Jan 23, 2026 at 4:49 PM David Hannum via AF <[email protected]>
>>>>>>>> wrote:
>>>>>>>>> See the response when you give a response that has thought behind it!
>>>>>>>>> Libs just resort to personal insults. It's all they have. No
>>>>>>>>> rebuttals, just personal attacks. Sad . . .
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> On Fri, Jan 23, 2026, 7:44 PM Ryan Ray <[email protected]> wrote:
>>>>>>>>>> <image.png>
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> On Fri, Jan 23, 2026 at 12:25 PM David Hannum via AF
>>>>>>>>>> <[email protected]> wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>> I disagree. I don't think our allies distrust us. They don't LIKE
>>>>>>>>>>> lots of what Trump does, I think they see strength. I think they
>>>>>>>>>>> see "America First" and they respect that because they understand
>>>>>>>>>>> that as the USA goes, they go. They need a stron, unapologetic US
>>>>>>>>>>> who will stick their finger in the face of Russia and China. They
>>>>>>>>>>> need us to be like that because they can't/won't be like that for
>>>>>>>>>>> themselves. The European nations are all followers - not leaders.
>>>>>>>>>>> Biden & Obama did not lead. Obama was apologetic of the success of
>>>>>>>>>>> the US. My biggest fear is what comes AFTER Trump? Every country
>>>>>>>>>>> in the world can't be equal. Nothing gets done. And China and
>>>>>>>>>>> Russia aren't going to play that game.
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>> Dave
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>> On Fri, Jan 23, 2026 at 3:13 PM Bill Prince <[email protected]>
>>>>>>>>>>> wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>>> It's still totally unnecessary, and does nothing but create
>>>>>>>>>>>> confusion and distrust. If you want our allies to distrust us,
>>>>>>>>>>>> then do shit like this.
>>>>>>>>>>>> May actually be too late. They already distrust us, and China and
>>>>>>>>>>>> Russia are loving it. Just look at what Carney said.
>>>>>>>>>>>> Stick an arrow pointing out of his ass, and that's probably where
>>>>>>>>>>>> we should be going.
>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>> bp
>>>>>>>>>>>> <part15sbs{at}gmail{dot}com>
>>>>>>>>>>>> On 1/22/2026 9:07 AM, David Hannum via AF wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>>>> Even if it is what existed before, the world is on notice that we
>>>>>>>>>>>>> are planning to deploy defense systems there. So yea, it's still
>>>>>>>>>>>>> a win and Trump can take a victory lap (like he needs a reason .
>>>>>>>>>>>>> . . )
>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>> Dave
>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>> On Thu, Jan 22, 2026 at 11:47 AM Bill Prince
>>>>>>>>>>>>> <[email protected]> wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Even though it was Wednesday, I will call it a TACO day (follow
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> the stock market).
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> There are zero details of what the "deal" is or isn't, and I'm
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> betting it's essentially what existed before.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Prove me wrong.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> bp
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> <part15sbs{at}gmail{dot}com>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> On 1/22/2026 7:43 AM, Rory Conaway wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Looks like Trump got the deal he wanted. Everyone is happy :).
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Rory
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> On Thu, Jan 22, 2026 at 7:11 AM MVTVWISPA
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> <[email protected]> wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> David-
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> I too read that exact information from Facebook posts word for
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> word.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> From: AF <[email protected]> On Behalf Of David Hannum
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> via AF
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Sent: Wednesday, January 21, 2026 3:33 PM
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> To: AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group <[email protected]>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Cc: David Hannum <[email protected]>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Subject: [AFMUG] OT - Greenland
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> So many think Trump is a bully on Greenland . . . If you think
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> he's so terrible, you absolutely don’t know history.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> 1) 1867 – Andrew Johnson: explored buying Greenland & Iceland
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> (right after Alaska).
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> 2) WWII – FDR: U.S. took over Greenland’s defense while
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Denmark was occupied.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> 3) 1946 – Truman: offered $100M in gold to buy it.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> 4) Cold War – Eisenhower → Kennedy: nonstop negotiations for
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> bases, radar, missiles.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> 5) Post–Cold War – Clinton/Bush/Obama: expanded Arctic
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> security & missile defense.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> 6) 2019 – Trump: said publicly what presidents discussed
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> privately for 150+ years.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> The U.S. didn’t “suddenly” want Greenland.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> It’s been defending it, negotiating it, and embedding there
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> since the 1800s.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Greenland = Arctic power, shipping lanes, missiles, minerals.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Trump didn’t invent it. His crime is he said the quiet part
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> out loud.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> =======================
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> NATO Secretary General Mark Rutte said on Jan. 21 at the World
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Economic Forum in Davos, Switzerland, that Trump is spot on
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> about the importance of Greenland to security. He said, "When
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> it comes to the Arctic, I think President Trump is right.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Other leaders in NATO are right. We need to defend the Arctic.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> There are eight countries bordering on the Arctic. Seven are
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> members of NATO. That’s Finland, Sweden, Norway, Denmark,
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Iceland, Canada, and the U.S.,” Rutte said.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> "And there’s only one country bordering on the Arctic outside
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> NATO, and that’s Russia. And I would argue there is a ninth
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> country, which is China, which is increasingly active in the
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Arctic region. So, President Trump and other leaders are
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> right, we have to do more there; we have to protect the
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Arctic."
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Dave Hannum
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>
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