New Mexico's plan so their rules.

ACP was a complete Spectrum fund.

On Tue, Nov 10, 2026 at 10:47 AM Ken Hohhof via AF <[email protected]> wrote:

> Who determines if the customer is eligible, you or the government? We
> would never have participated in ACP if we had to make that determination.
>
>
> On November 10, 2026 9:20:43 AM CST, Adam Moffett <[email protected]>
> wrote:
>
>> I wonder if lobbyists for cable or LEC providers suggested the phone
>> requirement to make life harder on competitors, or if a bureaucrat came up
>> with the idea on their own.
>>
>>
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>> *From:* AF <[email protected]> on behalf of Ken Hohhof via AF <
>> [email protected]>
>> *Sent:* Tuesday, November 10, 2026 10:12 AM
>> *To:* 'AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group' <[email protected]>
>> *Cc:* Ken Hohhof <[email protected]>
>> *Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] We may have to sell VOIP...
>>
>> ETC sounds like the big lift.  Have you done business plans for the
>> scenario where you participate and where you don’t, and determined that
>> participating makes sense?  When ACP was a thing, did you participate in
>> that?  I know we didn’t greatly regret doing so but if they brought it back
>> we would have passed.
>>
>>
>>
>> Personally I suspect it makes no sense to offer VoIP just for this
>> program, unless your business would take a big hit by opting out.  If you
>> already offer VoIP, or feel it would have benefits (hint: the money is in
>> hosted PBX for businesses), then the effort might be worth it.
>>
>>
>>
>> Very few people regardless of household income level want landline phone
>> any more, they just use a cellphone (and there’s Lifeline).  And if someone
>> really does want VoIP, apparently your state has never heard of OTT VoIP.
>> I have a couple low income (or just thrifty) customers who have Ooma,
>> because it’s cheaper than us.  I think they have a basic plan that’s $0
>> monthly you just have to buy the phone, the one my customers have I think
>> is $9.99/mo.  I have another customer who got a cellular based box from
>> Consumer Cellular for less than we charge for residential VoIP.  If you do
>> end up offering VoIP as part of this program, there’s a good chance you
>> will get close to zero customers, unless you’re willing to price it so low
>> that you will probably lose money unless you find other more profitable
>> ways to sell VoIP.
>>
>>
>>
>> In addition to ETC, you probably can’t just resell service, I would
>> scrutinize the rules.  And if you are the provider, you will have costs
>> related to things like STIR/SHAKEN that will make it unprofitable at a low
>> customer count.  There are also various costs like NANPA and TRS, and rules
>> like know-your-customer to prevent robocalling.  It’s not an insurmountable
>> burden, but not something you’d want to take on for a handful of customers.
>>
>>
>>
>> *From:* AF <[email protected]> *On Behalf Of *Adam Moffett
>> *Sent:* Tuesday, November 10, 2026 8:04 AM
>> *To:* AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group <[email protected]>
>> *Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] We may have to sell VOIP...
>>
>>
>>
>> Do you have to have to sell phone under your own brand?  Phone service
>> comes with obligations to protect CPNI, to provide E911, to keep call
>> history logs, etc.  I don't know about NM, but in NY phones also have sales
>> tax.  None of that comes without labor.  If you can just be a retailer you
>> could sell the phone, get a one time commission and then the rest of it
>> isn't really your problem.
>>
>>
>>
>> Could you meet the requirement by retailing a cell phone service? If
>> you're doing VoIP you'll have to configure QoS on your whole network,
>> especially on wireless, but really the whole network end-to-end has to be
>> able to classify, mark, and prioritize the VoIP packets.  It's very easy to
>> miss one thing and have VoIP glitches.  A cell phone service removes the
>> technical burden at the very least.
>>
>>
>>
>> Is there anything saying you can't use credit checks to disqualify
>> customers?  Many ACP eligible customers are going to fail a credit check,
>> so maybe that's a way to minimize how much of it you have to take on.
>>
>>
>>
>> It might be worth a letter to the PRC to say the rule should be amended
>> to remove the phone requirement, or to have an exception for providers
>> below a certain size threshold.
>>
>>
>>
>> You could estimate all of your additional costs and determine that
>> subsidizing the ACP customers will add $x/month to everyone else's bill.
>> You can even put that on the bill as a "New Mexico PRC regulatory recovery
>> fee". Whenever a customer asks about the fee, you can explain exactly what
>> it's for and give them a phone number for the PRC, and a link to a comment
>> form on the PRC's website.  They can express their appreciation for the
>> state government helping others or complain about their bill going up.
>> Their choice, you're just providing the information.
>>
>>
>>
>> Sorry to anyone who thinks I'm being the evil guy offering evil
>> suggestions.....people might like the world to be a certain way, but we
>> have to live in it the way it is right now, and right now a business has to
>> make money or not exist.
>>
>>
>>
>> -Adam
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>> ------------------------------
>>
>> *From:* AF <[email protected]> on behalf of Josh Luthman <
>> [email protected]>
>> *Sent:* Monday, November 9, 2026 8:11 PM
>> *To:* AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group <[email protected]>
>> *Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] We may have to sell VOIP...
>>
>>
>>
>> Call up an attorney and get your ETC like...last year...
>>
>>
>>
>> On Mon, Nov 9, 2026 at 12:38 PM Cameron Crum <[email protected]> wrote:
>>
>> Danial White at Atheral https://atheral.com/
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>> On Mon, Nov 9, 2026 at 11:27 AM Sam Lambie <[email protected]> wrote:
>>
>> We are in NM and the state is about to roll out an ACP like benefit to
>> low income households. Unlike ACP where as long as the provider was selling
>> internet the federal government paid the benefits to an ISP, whereas the
>> state of NM is mandating that in order to provide these LITAP benefits, the
>> provider needs to sell telephone services as well as register with the NM
>> PRC as an ETC. Totally archaic ruling in our opinion and shuts out a lot of
>> small ISP's in NM to be able to pass these benefits to our customers.
>>
>> Nonetheless, in order to play the game, I am researching who sells VOIP
>> that we can resell etc?
>>
>> Any suggestions would be greatly welcome.
>>
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