On Thursday, September 18, 2014, Ken Hohhof via Af <[email protected]> wrote:
> I just tried sending another test email with an inline image. It > disappeared into some kind of email Bermuda Triangle. Of course the only > way to send such an email is to use HTML format. But if I do that without > the inline image, it just gets converted to plain text and sent out to the > list. Kind of like watching a color program on an old monochrome TV. > Discard chrominance, forward luminance. OK, how many people here other > than Chuck have even seen a B&W TV? Remember the movie Pleasantville? > > > -----Original Message----- From: Bill Prince via Af > Sent: Thursday, September 18, 2014 12:52 PM > To: [email protected] > Subject: Re: [AFMUG] TEST - IGNORE > > That would be Gino (off the top of my head). Anyone heard from Gino in > the last few days? > > bp > > On 9/18/2014 10:25 AM, Ken Hohhof via Af wrote: > >> At least your email came through, minus the image. >> When I have tried to send emails with inline images, the whole email has >> just silently disappeared into the void. >> I was wondering what was going to happen with the people who have images >> (like logos) in their signatures. >> >> -----Original Message----- From: Bill Prince via Af >> Sent: Thursday, September 18, 2014 12:06 PM >> To: [email protected] >> Subject: Re: [AFMUG] TEST - IGNORE >> >> Friggin, fraggin no HTML got me again... >> >> bp >> >> On 9/18/2014 9:44 AM, Bill Prince via Af wrote: >> >>> bp >>> >>> On 9/18/2014 8:21 AM, James Howard via Af wrote: >>> >>>> I don't want a job! I'd like to retire...... unfortunately the >>>> lottery ticket I bought this weekend didn't pan out so I'm kind of >>>> stuck. I think Florida is a nice place to visit but I can't see >>>> myself living there. Besides, I don't know how far down your sand >>>> goes but there are lots of winters when we have WAY more than 2 feet >>>> of snow! The winter before last I got the plow truck stuck when I >>>> was plowing our front sidewalk. The snow was over the windows on >>>> both sides of the truck and I had a pile about 5 feet high in front >>>> that I was trying to push. >>>> >>>> You just can't have that kind of fun on sand! >>>> >>>> From: Af [mailto:[email protected]] On Behalf >>>> Of Paul McCall via Af >>>> Sent: Thursday, September 18, 2014 10:10 AM >>>> To: [email protected] >>>> Subject: Re: [AFMUG] TEST - IGNORE >>>> >>>> James, >>>> >>>> OK, you responded, thus you must want a job with PDMNet / Florida >>>> Broadband ! >>>> >>>> The pay isn't great, but the work hours are long :) And, when most >>>> people have two feet of snow, we have two feet in the sand on the >>>> beach :) >>>> >>>> -----Original Message----- >>>> From: Af [mailto:[email protected]] On Behalf Of >>>> James Howard via Af >>>> Sent: Thursday, September 18, 2014 11:06 AM >>>> To: [email protected]<mailto:[email protected]> >>>> Subject: Re: [AFMUG] TEST - IGNORE >>>> >>>> There you go telling us what to do again! >>>> >>>> From: Af [mailto:[email protected]] On Behalf >>>> Of Paul McCall via Af >>>> Sent: Thursday, September 18, 2014 8:51 AM >>>> To: [email protected]<mailto:[email protected]> >>>> Subject: Re: [AFMUG] TEST - IGNORE >>>> >>>> IGNORE - unless you want a job >>>> >>>> -----Original Message----- >>>> From: Af [mailto:[email protected]] On Behalf Of >>>> Ken Hohhof via Af >>>> Sent: Wednesday, September 17, 2014 11:06 PM >>>> To: >>>> [email protected]<mailto:[email protected]><mailto:[email protected]><mailto: >>>> [email protected]%3e> >>>> Subject: Re: [AFMUG] TEST - IGNORE >>>> >>>> I was thinking if the connection is using TLS, then connection >>>> caching wouldn't work anyway. But it seems I was misreading that >>>> Postfix document, it seems to say Postfix would not re-use the >>>> connection, but another MTA with a different software architecture >>>> maybe could. >>>> >>>> >>>> -----Original Message----- >>>> From: George Skorup (Cyber Broadcasting) via Af >>>> Sent: Wednesday, September 17, 2014 7:57 PM >>>> To: >>>> [email protected]<mailto:[email protected]><mailto:[email protected]><mailto: >>>> [email protected]%3e> >>>> Subject: Re: [AFMUG] TEST - IGNORE >>>> >>>> Yes, TLS, and it has been this way since like.. ever. More years than >>>> I can remember anyway. What is/was Beehive running on, Qmail? Looking >>>> through my logs, coming from Beehive it was TLS as well. Coming from >>>> WISPA is TLS, too. What MTA is WISPA running? >>>> >>>> The Postfix TLS/connection caching thing could be the problem. Maybe >>>> they're trying to hold the session open to deliver more messages? >>>> That seems like a Postfix problem to me. But that doesn't make sense >>>> because in all (normal) instances (WISPA, Beehive AF, Amazon AF), >>>> messages are coming in for each recipient (me and Mike are on the >>>> same lists) separately. Separate message ID and SMTP session for each >>>> recipient per message. The only thing different with Amazon is they >>>> seem to "forget" >>>> to send a QUIT once in a while which Exim on my end says violates >>>> RFC, so whichever Amazon outbound MX it happens to be at the moment >>>> gets connection rate limited for bad commands. >>>> >>>> I see tons and tons of connection rate limiting 'because of notquit: >>>> command-timeout' in my log all from obvious spam hosts, besides the >>>> Amazon SES hosts anyway. So I do not want to ignore bad commands for >>>> obvious reasons. >>>> >>>> I'm not saying anyone is right or wrong. But other messages for other >>>> Amazon services is doing the same thing. It's not just this list. >>>> It's Amazon. Maybe they're dropping the connection early without >>>> sending a QUIT because they are configured for impatience? I don't know. >>>> >>>> On 9/17/2014 5:48 PM, Ken Hohhof via Af wrote: >>>> >>>>> George, are the SMTP connections to your mailserver using TLS? The >>>>> reason I ask has to do with SMTP connection caching. >>>>> http://www.postfix.org/CONNECTION_CACHE_README.html >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> -----Original Message----- From: George Skorup (Cyber Broadcasting) >>>>> via Af >>>>> Sent: Wednesday, September 17, 2014 5:34 PM >>>>> To: >>>>> [email protected]<mailto:[email protected]><mailto:[email protected]><mailto: >>>>> [email protected]%3e> >>>>> Subject: Re: [AFMUG] TEST - IGNORE >>>>> >>>>> In my case, it's not exactly greylisting, but something is happening >>>>> on Amazon's end that causing them to terminate SMTP sessions too early >>>>> or something like that. Overloading perhaps? Them not sending QUIT >>>>> seems to be the issue. RFCs say that's how you end a session. So >>>>> whatever, delayed. Meh. I'm not changing my end because we already get >>>>> enough crap. And because this is Exim & SpamAssassin on cPanel/WHM, >>>>> almost everything happens at the initial SMTP connection: RBL checks, >>>>> host rate limit checks, etc. As I said before, this wasn't happening >>>>> when AF was on Beehive's servers and it's not happening with the >>>>> WISPA lists. >>>>> >>>>> I'm not trying to be bitchy or nitpicky, just trying to help Paul and >>>>> Curtis understand what's happening from my POV. >>>>> >>>>> On 9/17/2014 5:20 PM, Ken Hohhof via Af wrote: >>>>> >>>>>> Received here at 11:59:41. >>>>>> >>>>>> Jay, I would look for something specific to your situation. >>>>>> >>>>>> Either Amazon just doesn't like you, or if you are doing greylisting, >>>>>> I would look at that as a possible cause. >>>>>> >>>>>> Greylisting defers delivery on purpose, forces the sending MTA to >>>>>> queue the message, and usually relies on the next attempt looking >>>>>> exactly the same including source IP. Amazon may not use the same >>>>>> source IP, it may come from a pool of MTAs. Big systems that do >>>>>> greylisting may incorporate a mechanism to learn what IP ranges >>>>>> belong to the same organization, but you may not have that level of >>>>>> sophistication. >>>>>> >>>>>> Or probably I'm completely out in left field, but I can't think why I >>>>>> would get every single email within a second or so, yet yours are >>>>>> being delayed hours. >>>>>> >>>>>> My mailserver is on a Rube Goldberg connection due to a previous >>>>>> storm (it's at my house on an EoIP tunnel over AT&T U-Verse), so it's >>>>>> not like I have a particularly speedy setup. >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> -----Original Message----- From: CBB - Jay Fuller via Af >>>>>> Sent: Wednesday, September 17, 2014 4:12 PM >>>>>> To: >>>>>> [email protected]<mailto:[email protected]><mailto:[email protected]><mailto: >>>>>> [email protected]%3e> >>>>>> Subject: Re: [AFMUG] TEST - IGNORE >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> written 11:59 am , received 3:22 pm >>>>>> (Fyi) >>>>>> >>>>>> ----- Original Message ----- From: Mathew Howard via Af >>>>>> To: >>>>>> [email protected]<mailto:[email protected]><mailto:[email protected]><mailto: >>>>>> [email protected]%3e> >>>>>> Sent: Wednesday, September 17, 2014 11:59 AM >>>>>> Subject: Re: [AFMUG] TEST - IGNORE >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> I don't like fried pickles. >>>>>> ________________________________________ >>>>>> From: Af >>>>>> [[email protected]<mailto:[email protected]><mailto: >>>>>> [email protected]><mailto:[email protected]%3e>] >>>>>> on >>>>>> behalf of James Howard via Af >>>>>> [[email protected]<mailto:[email protected]><mailto:[email protected]><mailto: >>>>>> [email protected]%3e>] >>>>>> Sent: Wednesday, September 17, 2014 10:30 AM >>>>>> To: >>>>>> [email protected]<mailto:[email protected]><mailto:[email protected]><mailto: >>>>>> [email protected]%3e> >>>>>> Subject: Re: [AFMUG] TEST - IGNORE >>>>>> >>>>>> It seems to be bordering on libelous for someone to accuse us of not >>>>>> being able to stay on topic. >>>>>> >>>>>> From: Af [mailto:[email protected]] On Behalf Of CBB - Jay Fuller >>>>>> via Af >>>>>> Sent: Wednesday, September 17, 2014 10:16 AM >>>>>> To: >>>>>> [email protected]<mailto:[email protected]><mailto:[email protected]><mailto: >>>>>> [email protected]%3e> >>>>>> Subject: Re: [AFMUG] TEST - IGNORE >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> mmmmm. fried pickles. >>>>>> >>>>>> ----- Original Message ----- >>>>>> From: Jay Weekley via Af >>>>>> To: >>>>>> [email protected]<mailto:[email protected]><mailto:[email protected]><mailto: >>>>>> [email protected]%3e><mailto:[email protected]><mailto:[email protected]%3e><mailto: >>>>>> af@afmu >>>>>> >>>>>> g.com%3e> >>>>>> Sent: Wednesday, September 17, 2014 10:08 AM >>>>>> Subject: Re: [AFMUG] TEST - IGNORE >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> I like pickles. Does anyone else? >>>>>> >>>>>> Adam Moffett via Af wrote: >>>>>> >>>>>>> Test messages here never get ignored. 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