There is some power gain per Mhz in the 650 but at the same time if there is interference on even some of the channel it will show up in the waterfall spec. The issue is making sure link loss level is really close to what link planner says it suppose to have. This will ensure proper
alignment of those units. Its not all about the receive levels.
 Does he have 45Mhz wide channel selected?
Move them to a 20Mhz or at best 30Mhz. There is no reason to use 45Mhz wide unless you really want to push tons of bandwidth.

If the link loss is met but receive levels are crap then is could be interference. Until the units link loss has been corrected I would not count your chickens before the hatch yet. Of all the links I have done with Cambium I always watch the Linkloss when we get very close to locking down the shot.


On 9/24/2014 12:52 AM, That One Guy via Af wrote:
Im pretty sure there is no atheros chipset in a ptp650 to have this issue happen and since the rocket is a backhaul, if it were deaf im pretty sure it would be hard to manage, and the fsk customers beyond it would be calling in with concerns about the lack of internet.

I highly doubt that a brand new 650 would go deaf the minute it is powered on, and had it gone deaf the minute it was powered on, I doubt the spectrum would show well defined hills and valleys so clearly you can tell the channel size of the interfering systems, it would more likely either be fairly flatline or constantly in flux

On Wed, Sep 24, 2014 at 12:44 AM, Josh Reynolds via Af <[email protected] <mailto:[email protected]>> wrote:

    This is exactly what I am talking about.

    Josh Reynolds, Chief Information Officer
    SPITwSPOTS, www.spitwspots.com <http://www.spitwspots.com>

    On 09/23/2014 09:31 PM, George Skorup (Cyber Broadcasting) via Af
    wrote:
    Fundamentally, no. But what you can end up with is a receiver
    front-end overload. This happens far too often on Rocket radios.
    Isn't the 650 a whole-band radio, like 4.9-5.9? I hope it would
    have some spectacular filtering for the fify brazillion $ they
    want for it.

    I would shut your stuff down for 10 minutes and see what happens.

    On 9/24/2014 12:00 AM, That One Guy via Af wrote:
    INTERFERENCE DOES NOT ALTER RECEIVED POWER!!!

    On Tue, Sep 23, 2014 at 11:38 PM, Josh Reynolds via Af
    <[email protected] <mailto:[email protected]>> wrote:

        Just wait until you have people with AF5's in your neck of
        the woods. No overtly OOB emissions that I'm aware of, but
        it absolutely crushes anything on 5GHz in it's beamwidth and
        freq-use range. Atheros radios outside of the band also get
        overloaded and CCQ tanks.

        AF24 is amazing and firmware will only get better. AF5...
        kinda not a fan at this point. Same for just about every -AC
        radio from every manufacturer. Time will tell how Mimosa
        does though, I am mildly interested in those.

        Josh Reynolds, Chief Information Officer
        SPITwSPOTS, www.spitwspots.com <http://www.spitwspots.com>

        On 09/23/2014 08:29 PM, David Milholen via Af wrote:
        Since I run several of these in our networks as well as the
        new 650 units. Ubiquity has a bunch of OOBE even that low
        if the power requirements are not being met.  I have had
        ubiquity on my tower colo'd with a ptp230 5.4 unit and I
        set the ubiquity in the 5.2 range and it completely knocked
        off our ptp230 link.  I had to turn the power way down
        below even min power levels before the 230 would come back up.

         If by turning your system down and levels do return to
        normal for them. Then I would take a closer look at your
        config on your AP to see if you can tweak it to meet
        standards and at the same time not mess with them.
         I tried running a ptp link colo'd on my tower using
        ubiquity and the Out of band noise was incredible. I had
        50' sep and andrew dish with at least 120 deg out of
        center. The Ns5 was the one with 3' dish.

        Another thing to try is to  get someone who make gutters
        and use sheet metal to make an extended shield placed
        between the ubiquity and the 600s


        On 9/23/2014 7:05 PM, That One Guy via Af wrote:
        but i do really like the interface on the 650

        On Tue, Sep 23, 2014 at 7:04 PM, That One Guy
        <[email protected]
        <mailto:[email protected]>> wrote:

            This is really beginning to irritate me, Now the guy
            who replaced the gear is still blaming us for the
            problems here, I moved the ubnt gear clear down to
            like 5.1 or whatever the lowest channel is, the
            spectrum at this and the remote site are deplorable.
            The Signal/Noise ratio is moving around on the ptp650
            and the Vector Errors are off the chart, but he still
            wants to blame our equipment.

            I can tell you it boils down to an improper system
            repair post disaster. I pulled screen shots, both
            before and after I moved our channels, showed them the
            issue with their own colocated radios, turned on
            assymetric channels, yes, they were running symmetric
            in a high noise environment, nothing could go wrong
            there, right?

            Now tomorrow, my boss is going there to unplug our
            radio, taking our customers down. Im betting some
            utter nonsense like capacitant power or our antenna
            shape ends up being to blame here.

            I know ubnt is shit and bleeds noise allover, this
            particular radio is a rocket m5 with the 30db dish and
            the shield kit. The link is 90 degrees off both of
            theirs (ours is west, they have one north and one
            south) I believe we have 30 foot vertical sep between
            it and their closest radio. I can see how a rocket
            would magically destroy the whole 5ghz spectrum and
            not have performance issues itself.I even cycled the
            UBNT radios to make sure that they actually did change
            channels.

            ATPC power ranging not matching current TX output and
            RX doesnt make any sense to me. Interference alone
            will not alter RX power unless its very very notable.
             And then to top it off its said it would be better to
            move completely off the band to 3ghz since it cant
            interfere. Yeah, great fucking idea, lets take the
            only semi clean spectrum left and burn it on a
            backhaul thats performing as it should because other
            people dont know how to troubleshoot their own damn gear.
            But the kicker to that would be "oh, you must still be
            interfering, that m365 is actually a 5ghz radio
            downconverted

            how bout this, climb the damn tower and fix the fuckup

            fucking meh

            On Tue, Sep 23, 2014 at 5:04 PM, That One Guy via Af
            <[email protected] <mailto:[email protected]>> wrote:

                Im not doing anything, this is a not my chair not
                my problem issue.

                This strike blew everything on the tower, if it
                was electronic, it cooked, the switch was sitting
                on back of the APC and welded to it even tripped
                the breaker

                Im just curious with these if theres any issue
                with the ATPC on these bas boys

                On Tue, Sep 23, 2014 at 4:42 PM, David via Af
                <[email protected] <mailto:[email protected]>> wrote:

                    Inspect the cables or at lease switch one or
                    both out at one end and see if a prevalent
                    change is made.
                     Could be a feed horn but unlikely I would
                    shoot for pigtails first.


                    On 09/23/2014 02:38 PM, That One Guy via Af wrote:
                    I just got done troubleshooting a 650 link
                    for our landlord we are coloed with on a
                    couple towers. I had not looked at the ptp
                    interface since the 500.

                    This thing is freaking beautiful, and I never
                    compliment anybody, especially on a web gui.

                    Sooooo much information, so easy to find.


                    one question though, They have atpc set to
                    -35 on these, does that basically turn atpc
                    off, or could it cause a problem?

                    Im pretty sure they have a loose antenna or
                    damaged feedhorn/patch cables (this was a
                    lighnting replacement of a ptp500, reusing
                    the cables/feedhorn)

                    The system statistics showed a variation of
                    received power ranging from -47 to -78 with a
                    peak of -110 , -78ish being current. Transmit
                    powers show a variation of -15dBm up to 21
                    dBm (I did not notice the negative value at
                    first). This would account for the range of
                     Received power except When the Status
                    screenshots were taken, the transmit power on
                    both units was at 21 dBm with a 77/78 receive
                    power on each side. If the output power is
                    accurate, the receive power on the remote end
                    would be at the peak, not the mean.

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            together again, there must be a reason. By all means,
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        not use a hammer. -- IBM maintenance manual, 1925

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