Providing Health Insurance is a nice bonus though...especially if he is covering your whole family. My family insurance is friggin' expensive for a family of 4!
Regards, Chuck On Thu, Oct 2, 2014 at 11:57 PM, That One Guy via Af <[email protected]> wrote: > lol, hes not a dick, hes actually a pretty decent conservative capitalist > christian. I started that conversation 4 months ago right after I turned > down a much better paying job because of the commute. I got that job offer > because I went to meet with a tech from another contract service provider > who was taking over our contract, it turned out he wasnt a tech he was the > owner of the company, apparently I clean up nice, when I went for the final > closeout meeting it turned out to be an hour and a half interview. But > afterward i started the whats the future direction of the company, what can > I do in the company to give myself a financial and personal growth future > in the company, conversation. I screwed up by divulging about half of my > business plan if I was going to step out on my own, probably a bad idea. > but I keep getting the well theres this and theres that and the i need to > meet with x to discuss y and ill get back to you, the most I get out of him > is we havent sold to Jab (which I dont want because theres no role for me > if it happenned) and we arent closing the doors, and we might look at > giving you a dollar and maybe some scheduled raises. > > I have two kids, a house, this broad that lives with me after making my > babies.... a buck every 2.5 years isnt a great future. > > he had gotten insurance, which we did not have before, and initially I > wrote that off as the equivalent as a raise, but the more I think about it, > it was company wide, that isnt a retention thing, thats a business expense > like the electric bill and bandwidth cost, and next year the contract > expires and our coverage goes down, we get the option to buy back the > difference.. no dental, I gave the tooth butcher 500 bucks yesterday that i > had to borrow, cutting health isnt going to be made up for with 8 cents > > On Thu, Oct 2, 2014 at 10:44 PM, Ken Hohhof via Af <[email protected]> wrote: > >> Unless your boss is a dick (apparently a real possibility), a good >> approach is to ask when your next review will be and what achievements or >> metrics would qualify you for a bigger raise or a promotion. You are >> setting him up. He says do X and you get a promotion and a raise, and you >> do X. Makes it hard to deny you the reward, since he set the rules for the >> game. He even gets the enjoyment of telling himself he motivated you to >> achieve the goals he set, like getting a rat to run a maze in order to get >> the cheese, when in fact you motivated him to give you a raise. >> >> *From:* That One Guy via Af <[email protected]> >> *Sent:* Thursday, October 02, 2014 10:30 PM >> *To:* [email protected] >> *Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] valuing a pay increase >> >> Yeah, Jab starts their phone techs at more than I make, but Im one of >> those people that wont quit. >> >> Im pretty critical, but my employer is one that will just let things fail >> and deal with the aftermath. Ive worked for the organization for 10 years >> and this company for 5. Ive missed one deadline, the first in my life, and >> that was when my dads family shop burned down and I had to take some time >> off to dig through the rubble. They wouldnt find a person to replace me >> directly, the routing/transit management would go to a 3rd party >> consultant/contractor, they would rely on Powercode directly to manage that >> and the associated hardware, They would contract our partner company to >> manage the infrastructure builds, he would move from the inexpensive UBNT >> type hardware on the backhaul network to licensed "set and forget" links, >> specced out by vendors installed by contractors. The backend systems like >> our DNS, internal messaging sytems, backup/archiving, etc would either fail >> or be redesigned by a consultant and maintained under a contract. The >> contract support side stuff like the windows server contracts he would pick >> up the slack on for a bit and hand off any excess to our current 3rd party >> consultant we use for big project assistance. All the extra stuff like >> surveillance/dvr systems would go to the techs limited by their capacity. >> Incidentals that pop up periodically like the FCC crap and ARIN interaction >> would all be handled by the respective agency we deal with support staff. >> Day to day maintenance would get neglected for the most part, then dealt >> with in disaster mode by the associated vendor support avenues. New product >> would be handles by the salesguys from the vendors. >> >> So realistically, I am very replaceable, with a pretty big upfront fee, >> but probably in the long run the recurring cost would be less and an >> inbound guy to fill my role would really only need to know which numbers to >> call. So it could even be hes realized this and 8 cents is meant to be an >> insult. >> >> In this industry in this economy, what kind of pay increases should a guy >> deem fair? a penny more is a penny more >> >> On Thu, Oct 2, 2014 at 10:05 PM, Josh Reynolds via Af <[email protected]> >> wrote: >> >>> How valueable of an employee are you? Could you leave tomorrow and he >>> wouldn't notice a difference, or would all hell break lose? Would it >>> take long to find somebody worth their salt to replace you. >>> >>> Can you quantify and list your achievements over the past 2.5 years? >>> >>> Josh Reynolds, Chief Information Officer >>> SPITwSPOTS, www.spitwspots.com >>> On 10/02/2014 06:49 PM, That One Guy via Af wrote: >>> >>> im curious from the small business owner, which I assume most of you >>> owners on the list consider yourselves, how do you value a pay increase? >>> (assume its an employee that is worth their salt) >>> Do you try to just keep it where the employee has the same spending >>> power, ie just cost of living to match inflation, percentage based, profit >>> based, set value? >>> >>> In discussions with the boss about future he mentioned a number, for >>> shits and giggles I compared what my last raise is worth today. >>> >>> I havent had a raise in 2.5 years, and based on the government >>> calculators what I make now was worth 80 cents more 2.5 years ago than it >>> is now. >>> >>> The number he said was a dollar, which under normal curcumstances to po >>> folk like me isnt a small raise. >>> >>> but when I looked at the numbers, that dollar only puts me 20 cents up >>> on where I was 2.5 years ago, that 8 cents a year in increased purchasing >>> power. >>> >>> That kind of boils down to an insult. Or is that the wrong way to look >>> at the value of the potential pay increase? >>> >>> I have never believed in asking an employer for a raise, my thoughts >>> have always been that an employer thats a good employer will pay you what >>> they think your worth to them, apparently im worth 8 cents >>> >>> -- >>> All parts should go together without forcing. You must remember that the >>> parts you are reassembling were disassembled by you. Therefore, if you >>> can't get them together again, there must be a reason. By all means, do not >>> use a hammer. -- IBM maintenance manual, 1925 >>> >>> >>> >> >> >> -- >> All parts should go together without forcing. You must remember that the >> parts you are reassembling were disassembled by you. Therefore, if you >> can't get them together again, there must be a reason. By all means, do not >> use a hammer. -- IBM maintenance manual, 1925 >> > > > > -- > All parts should go together without forcing. You must remember that the > parts you are reassembling were disassembled by you. Therefore, if you > can't get them together again, there must be a reason. By all means, do not > use a hammer. -- IBM maintenance manual, 1925 >
