SaaS makes sense for some applications, but a lot of what I'm seeing it
applied to is just a money grab. Some things are just set up and go, I
don't need updates or support, so long as the software does what I bought
it to do. A great example of this is a point of sale system I'm installing.
Nearly every company wanted an upfront fee plus anywhere from $40-$60 /
terminal / month. I found software that allows multiple terminals for $1k
(no monthly recurring). This will pay for itself in probably 6 months.

On Thursday, October 16, 2014, Travis Johnson via Af <[email protected]
<javascript:_e(%7B%7D,'cvml','[email protected]');>> wrote:

>  How do you figure? Everything will eventually be SaaS... and it's a much
> better model for both sides. The software stays updated and current and bug
> fixes are instant. The initial cost to start with the software is usually
> 1/10th what it would be to buy, and it allows people to use the software
> from anywhere.
>
> Many years ago, I was of the same opinion. Then I started to realize my
> time (or anyone else's time) was better spent focusing on the product we
> sold rather than installing/fixing/supporting someone else's software.
>
> I know I personally spent at least 50+ hours over the previous 15 years
> installing/fixing/supporting Quickbooks on our LAN. Getting it installed on
> a server, setting up the shares, mapping drive letters, installing it on
> each PC, etc. The software cost us $500 to buy, and then the yearly updates
> were usually $200-$300. Or you can subscribe to the online version for
> $39/month and be done with it. It's automatically backed up, you don't have
> to host it on your own server, or worry about upgrade issues or users with
> problems, etc.
>
> Time is money. Spend your time doing what you know how to do, and hire
> someone else to do the other tasks. :)
>
> Travis
>
> On 10/15/2014 9:31 PM, Tyler Treat via Af wrote:
>
> True story.
>
> ___________________________
> Mangled by my iPhone.
> ___________________________
>
>  Tyler Treat
> Corn Belt Technologies, Inc.
>
>  [email protected]
> ___________________________
>
>
> On Oct 15, 2014, at 10:30 PM, Jason McKemie via Af <[email protected]> wrote:
>
>  Yeah, SaaS is great for the company that owns it, not so great for
> everyone else.
>
> On Wednesday, October 15, 2014, Travis Johnson via Af <[email protected]>
> wrote:
>
>> Nope... mainly SaaS companies and real estate. Best of both worlds. :)
>>
>> Travis
>>
>> On 10/15/2014 3:40 PM, Gino Villarini via Af wrote:
>>
>>> Someone told me you were getting into manufacturing��
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> Gino A. Villarini
>>> President
>>> Aeronet Wireless Broadband Corp.
>>> www.aeronetpr.com
>>> @aeronetpr
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> On 10/15/14, 5:31 PM, "Travis Johnson via Af" <[email protected]> wrote:
>>>
>>>  It just depends on the day... :)
>>>>
>>>> Involved in 11 companies now, and looking at a 12th. Always stuff going
>>>> on. LOL
>>>>
>>>> Travis
>>>>
>>>> On 10/15/2014 3:16 PM, Gino Villarini via Af wrote:
>>>>
>>>>> Travis, are you getting bored at your current job? Lol!!
>>>>>
>>>>> Great to see you active in the list!
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> Gino A. Villarini
>>>>> President
>>>>> Aeronet Wireless Broadband Corp.
>>>>> www.aeronetpr.com
>>>>> @aeronetpr
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> On 10/15/14, 4:14 PM, "Travis Johnson via Af" <[email protected]> wrote:
>>>>>
>>>>>  The other issue is p2p traffic between two people on the same AP....
>>>>>> and
>>>>>> if you are doing bandwidth shaping in your router, even at the tower,
>>>>>> you will never see these packets. Or in the case the original poster
>>>>>> asked about, that customer could keep a high-def window open of all
>>>>>> their video cameras at the other location, using 3-4Mbps of constant
>>>>>> traffic, and you would never see it.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Travis
>>>>>>
>>>>>> On 10/15/2014 1:48 PM, George Skorup (Cyber Broadcasting) via Af
>>>>>> wrote:
>>>>>>
>>>>>>> When you forward SM-to-SM traffic upstream, there's nothing the
>>>>>>> router
>>>>>>> can do about it. Put the two locations on different IP subnets so
>>>>>>> that
>>>>>>> traffic between the two has to be routed. Or turn off SM isolation.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> I leave SM isolation off because I'm not that paranoid. The biggest
>>>>>>> risk is broadcast/multicast crap flying around. So use the SM uplink
>>>>>>> broadcast/multicast rate limiting. This is one of the best features
>>>>>>> of
>>>>>>> Canopy, IMO.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> On 10/15/2014 2:23 PM, Christopher Tyler via Af wrote:
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> We have a customer that has two SM's on the same AP at separate
>>>>>>>> physical locations (home and office). The have a DVR at each
>>>>>>>> location
>>>>>>>> that they want to view. Everything is configured properly on their
>>>>>>>> end to view the DVR's on port 80 through their routers.   Problem is
>>>>>>>> that we have SM isolation turned on with option 2 to forward packets
>>>>>>>> upstream and they want to see the home when at the office and the
>>>>>>>> office when at home.
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> So I set up a mangle rule in my Mikortik to mark the packets with a
>>>>>>>> routing mark based on the SRC and DST addresses, and then used a
>>>>>>>> static route for anything what that mark and send it back to the AP
>>>>>>>> port. It doesn't work, what am I doing wrong, any suggestions short
>>>>>>>> of disabling SM isolation?
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>
>>>
>>
>

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