I use Ubiquiti and Cambium radios for SCADA and surveillance Projects. No WISP use here
Jaime Solorza On Oct 23, 2014 10:45 AM, "That One Guy via Af" <[email protected]> wrote: > going into somebody elses garage and putting their tools in order doesnt > clean the oil off your garage floor even if it makes your neighbor happy. > > On Thu, Oct 23, 2014 at 11:29 AM, Jaime Solorza via Af <[email protected]> > wrote: > >> What do you mean WISP equipment? >> >> Jaime Solorza >> On Oct 23, 2014 10:26 AM, "Chuck Hogg via Af" <[email protected]> wrote: >> >>> I'm not quite sure what you are getting at? What you are stating is >>> part of the Code of Ethics (Article II). >>> >>> Are you stating that if WISPA were the regulator or that if WISPA could >>> regulate the industry? >>> >>> Keep in mind, we have stepped up in interference issues where the FCC >>> has failed to identify the source of interference. In fact, we identified >>> the storage facility in Las Vegas that was interfering with their TDWR, a >>> non-WISP using WISP equipment. We've stepped up to help in cases where the >>> FCC has asked us to. >>> >>> Regards, >>> Chuck >>> >>> On Thu, Oct 23, 2014 at 12:14 PM, That One Guy via Af <[email protected]> >>> wrote: >>> >>>> Im not faulting WISPA, theyre not a regulator. Im faulting the members >>>> of the industry and the industry itself. I really cant even fault UBNT, >>>> theyre delivering the requested product. If they were to add into their >>>> next production release something that forced everything to always be in >>>> compliance, it would probably be the least downloaded firmware in the >>>> history of the company. If WISPA weere to change their charter and >>>> membership agreement to reflect an obligation to comply, their budget from >>>> dues would cause rick harnish to live on spam and potatoes, and he might >>>> not get the spam. >>>> >>>> On Thu, Oct 23, 2014 at 11:07 AM, Ken Hohhof via Af <[email protected]> >>>> wrote: >>>> >>>>> Then you’re a better man than I am. I grant you one free pass to >>>>> complain. >>>>> >>>>> I wonder if I can put a board at the bottom of the tower to display >>>>> FCC stickers, kind of like the boards at road construction sites with all >>>>> the posters various government agencies require to be displayed at the >>>>> workplace? >>>>> >>>>> To be honest, I’m kind of scared of bricking a production radio, and >>>>> might swap out the hardware anyway. It’s always a little scary updating a >>>>> Ubiquiti radio to a FW release that changes the region locking rules, for >>>>> fear of losing functionality and having no undo. Even if you’re not doing >>>>> anything illegal. Better to try it on the ground and then swap the >>>>> hardware. >>>>> >>>>> But I’d love to tell a grain elevator I’m having a guy climb their 165 >>>>> ft leg during harvest while they are loading and unloading grain so he can >>>>> disappear into the cloud from the grain dryer and put a sticker on a radio >>>>> to satisfy government regulations. Of course they have their own OSHA >>>>> stories to tell. >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> *From:* That One Guy via Af <[email protected]> >>>>> *Sent:* Thursday, October 23, 2014 10:53 AM >>>>> *To:* [email protected] >>>>> *Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] Rocket M5 and 5.2 band? >>>>> >>>>> every single one of the radios that got that have the stickers ken, >>>>> whether they have half peeled off or not (i didnt bring alcohol swabs) I >>>>> dont know, but they did all get the sticker. Im afraid of the FCC a >>>>> judgement from them on a company our size could cause me to be unemployed. >>>>> (also the luxury of it being less than 50 radios didnt hurt) >>>>> >>>>> On Thu, Oct 23, 2014 at 10:45 AM, Ken Hohhof via Af <[email protected]> >>>>> wrote: >>>>> >>>>>> Hey, Ubiquiti sends us U-NII-1 stickers for our APs when we >>>>>> register and get the license key. Doesn’t that show they care? You do >>>>>> climb the tower and put those stickers on, don’t you? If not, who’s the >>>>>> problem now? >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> *From:* That One Guy via Af <[email protected]> >>>>>> *Sent:* Thursday, October 23, 2014 10:27 AM >>>>>> *To:* [email protected] >>>>>> *Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] Rocket M5 and 5.2 band? >>>>>> >>>>>> we are a WISPA member last I knew. But yes, credibility with >>>>>> regulators. When you sit down and sya "hey! FCC, we dont like these new >>>>>> requirements. Change them" they giggle because they know the industry you >>>>>> represent isnt following the current guidelines, so catering to them >>>>>> really >>>>>> isnt top on their list of to dos. This industry has an attitude of "if we >>>>>> arent getting caught, we arent doing it" >>>>>> UBNt wont change anything because theyre called out, they have to be >>>>>> forced by the FCC or other regulating agencies to comply, historically >>>>>> speaking I men, in fantasy pants land (cool parachute fantasy pants with >>>>>> plenty of zippers) they might proactively comply, but in real world, >>>>>> theyll >>>>>> meh it because they saw what happenned to sales >>>>>> >>>>>> On Thu, Oct 23, 2014 at 10:07 AM, Mike Hammett via Af <[email protected]> >>>>>> wrote: >>>>>> >>>>>>> I think the credibility with regulators is greatly increasing. >>>>>>> >>>>>>> Shame on anyone on this list that is not a WISPA member. SHAME. ON. >>>>>>> YOU. >>>>>>> >>>>>>> >>>>>>> >>>>>>> ----- >>>>>>> Mike Hammett >>>>>>> Intelligent Computing Solutions >>>>>>> http://www.ics-il.com >>>>>>> >>>>>>> <https://www.facebook.com/ICSIL> >>>>>>> <https://plus.google.com/+IntelligentComputingSolutionsDeKalb> >>>>>>> <https://www.linkedin.com/company/intelligent-computing-solutions> >>>>>>> <https://twitter.com/ICSIL> >>>>>>> >>>>>>> ------------------------------ >>>>>>> *From: *"Adam Moffett via Af" <[email protected]> >>>>>>> *To: *[email protected] >>>>>>> *Sent: *Thursday, October 23, 2014 10:05:53 AM >>>>>>> >>>>>>> *Subject: *Re: [AFMUG] Rocket M5 and 5.2 band? >>>>>>> >>>>>>> Sub "teeth" perhaps for "credibility with regulators", or similar. >>>>>>> >>>>>>> >>>>>>> What “teeth” do you expect WISPA to have? >>>>>>> >>>>>>> *From:* That One Guy via Af <[email protected]> >>>>>>> *Sent:* Thursday, October 23, 2014 9:31 AM >>>>>>> *To:* [email protected] >>>>>>> *Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] Rocket M5 and 5.2 band? >>>>>>> >>>>>>> Non UBNT fanboys would agree that UBNT is the most abused set of >>>>>>> systems we use, note the dismay over losing "test mode" or whatever its >>>>>>> called and the backlash I got for snitching on a vendor who was selling >>>>>>> non >>>>>>> US radios to US customers. UBNT wants to market themselves a a big >>>>>>> player, >>>>>>> but they cant even get the systems to do simple if and or >>>>>>> for the most part in my experience of dealing with mikrotik guys, >>>>>>> they take their spectrum stewardship seriously, Ive not dealt with all >>>>>>> the >>>>>>> tik guys, there are probably alot who abuse it too, and shame on them >>>>>>> for >>>>>>> that, but tik isnt as prevalent in the industry as UBNT is. >>>>>>> I personally dont like the temptation to cheat, we are changing out >>>>>>> a rocket link with a 650 right now that would work fine at full power in >>>>>>> the lower 5gz, and I would never get caught, instead we are shedding >>>>>>> customers while we are putting up the replacement tommorrow. Most folks >>>>>>> wold just cheat it to get through, thats why WISPA has no real teeth >>>>>>> >>>>>>> On Thu, Oct 23, 2014 at 7:34 AM, Mike Hammett via Af <[email protected]> >>>>>>> wrote: >>>>>>> >>>>>>>> I don't believe the FCC has issued any DFS related violations >>>>>>>> that didn't include interfering with TDWR. It seems like as long as you >>>>>>>> don't interfere with TDWR, no one cares. >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> ----- >>>>>>>> Mike Hammett >>>>>>>> Intelligent Computing Solutions >>>>>>>> http://www.ics-il.com >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> <https://www.facebook.com/ICSIL> >>>>>>>> <https://plus.google.com/+IntelligentComputingSolutionsDeKalb> >>>>>>>> <https://www.linkedin.com/company/intelligent-computing-solutions> >>>>>>>> <https://twitter.com/ICSIL> >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> ------------------------------ >>>>>>>> *From: *"That One Guy via Af" <[email protected]> >>>>>>>> *To: *[email protected] >>>>>>>> *Sent: *Wednesday, October 22, 2014 10:48:31 PM >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> *Subject: *Re: [AFMUG] Rocket M5 and 5.2 band? >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> it only sets in the ap if you select a channel, if you give it a >>>>>>>> list it stays at full power. I wish WISPA would realize that they have >>>>>>>> absolutely no teeth and our membership dues have no return until our >>>>>>>> industry takes stewardship of the spectrum seriously. Its things like >>>>>>>> this >>>>>>>> that ensure the 5ghz rules are here to stay, WISPA has a better chance >>>>>>>> of >>>>>>>> sticking a straw up a unicorns hind end and blowing rainbow bubbles >>>>>>>> out its >>>>>>>> nose than getting the rules changed. >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> On Wed, Oct 22, 2014 at 10:18 PM, Mathew Howard via Af < >>>>>>>> [email protected]> wrote: >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> That really bothers me too... the AP side will limit it to the >>>>>>>>> legal limit (assuming you have the antenna size set properly), but the >>>>>>>>> clients do not... I'm guessing there are an awful lot of NanoBridges >>>>>>>>> out >>>>>>>>> there running at 23dBm Tx power on DFS channels - which should be >>>>>>>>> limited >>>>>>>>> to 5dBm. >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> UBNT really needs to fix that. >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> ------------------------------ >>>>>>>>> *From:* Af [[email protected]] on behalf of That One Guy via >>>>>>>>> Af [[email protected]] >>>>>>>>> *Sent:* Wednesday, October 22, 2014 2:34 PM >>>>>>>>> *To:* [email protected] >>>>>>>>> *Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] Rocket M5 and 5.2 band? >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> I dont like that theyre not limiting power in those bands >>>>>>>>> automatically, I thought they were supposed to >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> On Wed, Oct 22, 2014 at 2:17 PM, Jason McKemie via Af < >>>>>>>>> [email protected]> wrote: >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> I didn't know the 5GHz Power Bridges ever had the ability to go >>>>>>>>>> that low (legally). >>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> On Wed, Oct 22, 2014 at 1:44 PM, Heith Petersen via Af < >>>>>>>>>> [email protected]> wrote: >>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>> I assume that this does not apply to the Power Bridges. I am >>>>>>>>>>> scared to update the few that are running 5.2 on older firmware to >>>>>>>>>>> find out >>>>>>>>>>> ;) >>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>> *From:* Af [mailto:[email protected]] *On Behalf Of *Bill >>>>>>>>>>> Prince via Af >>>>>>>>>>> *Sent:* Wednesday, October 22, 2014 1:33 PM >>>>>>>>>>> *To:* [email protected] >>>>>>>>>>> *Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] Rocket M5 and 5.2 band? >>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>> Go to the UBNT web site. You have to register & they will send >>>>>>>>>>> you stickers and an activation key that you enter on the System tab >>>>>>>>>>> in the >>>>>>>>>>> GUI. >>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>> bp >>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>> On 10/22/2014 9:51 AM, Sam Lambie via Af wrote: >>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>> Where the heck would one get an update key and how do you >>>>>>>>>>> enter it into the radio? These radios are about 3 years old. This >>>>>>>>>>> particular one worked just fine on Firmware 5.3 in 5.2... >>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>> On Wed, Oct 22, 2014 at 10:49 AM, Glen Waldrop via Af < >>>>>>>>>>> [email protected]> wrote: >>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>> I don't know. I've got ~9 Nanobridge M5 out there feeding towers >>>>>>>>>>> on short hops, all listed UNII1 and half the links are running it. >>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>> Is this possibly an older unit before the UNII 2 band was >>>>>>>>>>> enabled from factory? I wonder if the update key has to be entered >>>>>>>>>>> to >>>>>>>>>>> access UNII 1. >>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>> ----- Original Message ----- >>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>> *From:* Sam Lambie via Af <[email protected]> >>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>> *To:* [email protected] >>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>> *Sent:* Wednesday, October 22, 2014 11:46 AM >>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>> *Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] Rocket M5 and 5.2 band? >>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>> Ok, I have a radio on the bench with 5.5.10 loaded and all I see >>>>>>>>>>> is the 5.8 band in AP mode. what am I missing? >>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>> On Wed, Oct 22, 2014 at 10:34 AM, Glen Waldrop via Af < >>>>>>>>>>> [email protected]> wrote >>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>> Works quite nicely. I've got a few out there. Nice to have >>>>>>>>>>> 500+ MHz between feeds. >>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>> ----- Original Message ----- >>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>> *From:* Mike Hammett via Af <[email protected]> >>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>> *To:* [email protected] >>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>> *Sent:* Wednesday, October 22, 2014 11:32 AM >>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>> *Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] Rocket M5 and 5.2 band? >>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>> Firmware 5.5.10 (actually, one of its betas was the first to >>>>>>>>>>> offer it). >>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>> ----- >>>>>>>>>>> Mike Hammett >>>>>>>>>>> Intelligent Computing Solutions >>>>>>>>>>> http://www.ics-il.com >>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>> [image: Image removed by sender.] >>>>>>>>>>> <https://www.facebook.com/ICSIL>[image: Image removed by >>>>>>>>>>> sender.] >>>>>>>>>>> <https://plus.google.com/+IntelligentComputingSolutionsDeKalb>[image: >>>>>>>>>>> Image removed by sender.] >>>>>>>>>>> <https://www.linkedin.com/company/intelligent-computing-solutions>[image: >>>>>>>>>>> Image removed by sender.] <https://twitter.com/ICSIL> >>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>> ------------------------------ >>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>> *From: *"Sam Lambie via Af" <[email protected]> >>>>>>>>>>> *To: *[email protected] >>>>>>>>>>> *Sent: *Wednesday, October 22, 2014 11:30:14 AM >>>>>>>>>>> *Subject: *[AFMUG] Rocket M5 and 5.2 band? >>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>> I heard somewhere at WISPApalooza that the M series does 5.2 >>>>>>>>>>> band now? Is that smoke and mirrors? >>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>> Sam >>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>> -- >>>>>>>>>>> -- >>>>>>>>>>> *Sam Lambie* >>>>>>>>>>> Taosnet Wireless Tech. >>>>>>>>>>> 575-758-7598 Office >>>>>>>>>>> www.Taosnet.com <http://www.newmex.com> >>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>> -- >>>>>>>>>>> -- >>>>>>>>>>> *Sam Lambie* >>>>>>>>>>> Taosnet Wireless Tech. >>>>>>>>>>> 575-758-7598 Office >>>>>>>>>>> www.Taosnet.com <http://www.newmex.com> >>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>> -- >>>>>>>>>>> -- >>>>>>>>>>> *Sam Lambie* >>>>>>>>>>> Taosnet Wireless Tech. >>>>>>>>>>> 575-758-7598 Office >>>>>>>>>>> www.Taosnet.com <http://www.newmex.com> >>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> -- >>>>>>>>> All parts should go together without forcing. You must remember >>>>>>>>> that the parts you are reassembling were disassembled by you. >>>>>>>>> Therefore, if >>>>>>>>> you can't get them together again, there must be a reason. By all >>>>>>>>> means, do >>>>>>>>> not use a hammer. -- IBM maintenance manual, 1925 >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> -- >>>>>>>> All parts should go together without forcing. You must remember >>>>>>>> that the parts you are reassembling were disassembled by you. >>>>>>>> Therefore, if >>>>>>>> you can't get them together again, there must be a reason. By all >>>>>>>> means, do >>>>>>>> not use a hammer. -- IBM maintenance manual, 1925 >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> >>>>>>> >>>>>>> >>>>>>> >>>>>>> -- >>>>>>> All parts should go together without forcing. You must remember that >>>>>>> the parts you are reassembling were disassembled by you. Therefore, if >>>>>>> you >>>>>>> can't get them together again, there must be a reason. By all means, do >>>>>>> not >>>>>>> use a hammer. -- IBM maintenance manual, 1925 >>>>>>> >>>>>>> >>>>>>> >>>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> -- >>>>>> All parts should go together without forcing. You must remember that >>>>>> the parts you are reassembling were disassembled by you. Therefore, if >>>>>> you >>>>>> can't get them together again, there must be a reason. By all means, do >>>>>> not >>>>>> use a hammer. -- IBM maintenance manual, 1925 >>>>>> >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> -- >>>>> All parts should go together without forcing. You must remember that >>>>> the parts you are reassembling were disassembled by you. Therefore, if you >>>>> can't get them together again, there must be a reason. By all means, do >>>>> not >>>>> use a hammer. -- IBM maintenance manual, 1925 >>>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> -- >>>> All parts should go together without forcing. You must remember that >>>> the parts you are reassembling were disassembled by you. Therefore, if you >>>> can't get them together again, there must be a reason. By all means, do not >>>> use a hammer. -- IBM maintenance manual, 1925 >>>> >>> >>> > > > -- > All parts should go together without forcing. You must remember that the > parts you are reassembling were disassembled by you. Therefore, if you > can't get them together again, there must be a reason. By all means, do not > use a hammer. -- IBM maintenance manual, 1925 >
