WISPs are the target to most microwave\fixed wireless gear.
----- Mike Hammett Intelligent Computing Solutions http://www.ics-il.com ----- Original Message ----- From: "Jaime Solorza via Af" <[email protected]> To: "Animal Farm" <[email protected]> Sent: Thursday, October 23, 2014 12:04:50 PM Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Rocket M5 and 5.2 band? I use Ubiquiti and Cambium radios for SCADA and surveillance Projects. No WISP use here Jaime Solorza On Oct 23, 2014 10:45 AM, "That One Guy via Af" < [email protected] > wrote: going into somebody elses garage and putting their tools in order doesnt clean the oil off your garage floor even if it makes your neighbor happy. On Thu, Oct 23, 2014 at 11:29 AM, Jaime Solorza via Af < [email protected] > wrote: <blockquote> What do you mean WISP equipment? Jaime Solorza On Oct 23, 2014 10:26 AM, "Chuck Hogg via Af" < [email protected] > wrote: <blockquote> I'm not quite sure what you are getting at? What you are stating is part of the Code of Ethics (Article II). Are you stating that if WISPA were the regulator or that if WISPA could regulate the industry? Keep in mind, we have stepped up in interference issues where the FCC has failed to identify the source of interference. In fact, we identified the storage facility in Las Vegas that was interfering with their TDWR, a non-WISP using WISP equipment. We've stepped up to help in cases where the FCC has asked us to. Regards, Chuck On Thu, Oct 23, 2014 at 12:14 PM, That One Guy via Af < [email protected] > wrote: <blockquote> Im not faulting WISPA, theyre not a regulator. Im faulting the members of the industry and the industry itself. I really cant even fault UBNT, theyre delivering the requested product. If they were to add into their next production release something that forced everything to always be in compliance, it would probably be the least downloaded firmware in the history of the company. If WISPA weere to change their charter and membership agreement to reflect an obligation to comply, their budget from dues would cause rick harnish to live on spam and potatoes, and he might not get the spam. On Thu, Oct 23, 2014 at 11:07 AM, Ken Hohhof via Af < [email protected] > wrote: <blockquote> Then you’re a better man than I am. I grant you one free pass to complain. I wonder if I can put a board at the bottom of the tower to display FCC stickers, kind of like the boards at road construction sites with all the posters various government agencies require to be displayed at the workplace? To be honest, I’m kind of scared of bricking a production radio, and might swap out the hardware anyway. It’s always a little scary updating a Ubiquiti radio to a FW release that changes the region locking rules, for fear of losing functionality and having no undo. Even if you’re not doing anything illegal. Better to try it on the ground and then swap the hardware. But I’d love to tell a grain elevator I’m having a guy climb their 165 ft leg during harvest while they are loading and unloading grain so he can disappear into the cloud from the grain dryer and put a sticker on a radio to satisfy government regulations. Of course they have their own OSHA stories to tell. From: That One Guy via Af Sent: Thursday, October 23, 2014 10:53 AM To: [email protected] Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Rocket M5 and 5.2 band? every single one of the radios that got that have the stickers ken, whether they have half peeled off or not (i didnt bring alcohol swabs) I dont know, but they did all get the sticker. Im afraid of the FCC a judgement from them on a company our size could cause me to be unemployed. (also the luxury of it being less than 50 radios didnt hurt) On Thu, Oct 23, 2014 at 10:45 AM, Ken Hohhof via Af < [email protected] > wrote: <blockquote> Hey, Ubiquiti sends us U-NII-1 stickers for our APs when we register and get the license key. Doesn’t that show they care? You do climb the tower and put those stickers on, don’t you? If not, who’s the problem now? From: That One Guy via Af Sent: Thursday, October 23, 2014 10:27 AM To: [email protected] Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Rocket M5 and 5.2 band? we are a WISPA member last I knew. But yes, credibility with regulators. When you sit down and sya "hey! FCC, we dont like these new requirements. Change them" they giggle because they know the industry you represent isnt following the current guidelines, so catering to them really isnt top on their list of to dos. This industry has an attitude of "if we arent getting caught, we arent doing it" UBNt wont change anything because theyre called out, they have to be forced by the FCC or other regulating agencies to comply, historically speaking I men, in fantasy pants land (cool parachute fantasy pants with plenty of zippers) they might proactively comply, but in real world, theyll meh it because they saw what happenned to sales On Thu, Oct 23, 2014 at 10:07 AM, Mike Hammett via Af < [email protected] > wrote: <blockquote> I think the credibility with regulators is greatly increasing. Shame on anyone on this list that is not a WISPA member. SHAME. ON. YOU. ----- Mike Hammett Intelligent Computing Solutions http://www.ics-il.com From: "Adam Moffett via Af" < [email protected] > To: [email protected] Sent: Thursday, October 23, 2014 10:05:53 AM Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Rocket M5 and 5.2 band? Sub "teeth" perhaps for "credibility with regulators", or similar. <blockquote> What “teeth” do you expect WISPA to have? From: That One Guy via Af Sent: Thursday, October 23, 2014 9:31 AM To: [email protected] Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Rocket M5 and 5.2 band? Non UBNT fanboys would agree that UBNT is the most abused set of systems we use, note the dismay over losing "test mode" or whatever its called and the backlash I got for snitching on a vendor who was selling non US radios to US customers. UBNT wants to market themselves a a big player, but they cant even get the systems to do simple if and or for the most part in my experience of dealing with mikrotik guys, they take their spectrum stewardship seriously, Ive not dealt with all the tik guys, there are probably alot who abuse it too, and shame on them for that, but tik isnt as prevalent in the industry as UBNT is. I personally dont like the temptation to cheat, we are changing out a rocket link with a 650 right now that would work fine at full power in the lower 5gz, and I would never get caught, instead we are shedding customers while we are putting up the replacement tommorrow. Most folks wold just cheat it to get through, thats why WISPA has no real teeth On Thu, Oct 23, 2014 at 7:34 AM, Mike Hammett via Af < [email protected] > wrote: <blockquote> I don't believe the FCC has issued any DFS related violations that didn't include interfering with TDWR. It seems like as long as you don't interfere with TDWR, no one cares. ----- Mike Hammett Intelligent Computing Solutions http://www.ics-il.com From: "That One Guy via Af" < [email protected] > To: [email protected] Sent: Wednesday, October 22, 2014 10:48:31 PM Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Rocket M5 and 5.2 band? it only sets in the ap if you select a channel, if you give it a list it stays at full power. I wish WISPA would realize that they have absolutely no teeth and our membership dues have no return until our industry takes stewardship of the spectrum seriously. Its things like this that ensure the 5ghz rules are here to stay, WISPA has a better chance of sticking a straw up a unicorns hind end and blowing rainbow bubbles out its nose than getting the rules changed. On Wed, Oct 22, 2014 at 10:18 PM, Mathew Howard via Af < [email protected] > wrote: <blockquote> That really bothers me too... the AP side will limit it to the legal limit (assuming you have the antenna size set properly), but the clients do not... I'm guessing there are an awful lot of NanoBridges out there running at 23dBm Tx power on DFS channels - which should be limited to 5dBm. UBNT really needs to fix that. From: Af [ [email protected] ] on behalf of That One Guy via Af [ [email protected] ] Sent: Wednesday, October 22, 2014 2:34 PM To: [email protected] Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Rocket M5 and 5.2 band? I dont like that theyre not limiting power in those bands automatically, I thought they were supposed to On Wed, Oct 22, 2014 at 2:17 PM, Jason McKemie via Af < [email protected] > wrote: <blockquote> I didn't know the 5GHz Power Bridges ever had the ability to go that low (legally). On Wed, Oct 22, 2014 at 1:44 PM, Heith Petersen via Af < [email protected] > wrote: <blockquote> I assume that this does not apply to the Power Bridges. I am scared to update the few that are running 5.2 on older firmware to find out ;) From: Af [mailto: [email protected] ] On Behalf Of Bill Prince via Af Sent: Wednesday, October 22, 2014 1:33 PM To: [email protected] Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Rocket M5 and 5.2 band? Go to the UBNT web site. You have to register & they will send you stickers and an activation key that you enter on the System tab in the GUI. bp On 10/22/2014 9:51 AM, Sam Lambie via Af wrote: <blockquote> Where the heck would one get an update key and how do you enter it into the radio? These radios are about 3 years old. This particular one worked just fine on Firmware 5.3 in 5.2... On Wed, Oct 22, 2014 at 10:49 AM, Glen Waldrop via Af < [email protected] > wrote: I don't know. I've got ~9 Nanobridge M5 out there feeding towers on short hops, all listed UNII1 and half the links are running it. Is this possibly an older unit before the UNII 2 band was enabled from factory? I wonder if the update key has to be entered to access UNII 1. <blockquote> ----- Original Message ----- From: Sam Lambie via Af To: [email protected] Sent: Wednesday, October 22, 2014 11:46 AM Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Rocket M5 and 5.2 band? Ok, I have a radio on the bench with 5.5.10 loaded and all I see is the 5.8 band in AP mode. what am I missing? On Wed, Oct 22, 2014 at 10:34 AM, Glen Waldrop via Af < [email protected] > wrote <blockquote> Works quite nicely. I've got a few out there. Nice to have 500+ MHz between feeds. <blockquote> ----- Original Message ----- From: Mike Hammett via Af To: [email protected] Sent: Wednesday, October 22, 2014 11:32 AM Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Rocket M5 and 5.2 band? Firmware 5.5.10 (actually, one of its betas was the first to offer it). ----- Mike Hammett Intelligent Computing Solutions http://www.ics-il.com Image removed by sender.Image removed by sender.Image removed by sender.Image removed by sender. From: "Sam Lambie via Af" < [email protected] > To: [email protected] Sent: Wednesday, October 22, 2014 11:30:14 AM Subject: [AFMUG] Rocket M5 and 5.2 band? I heard somewhere at WISPApalooza that the M series does 5.2 band now? Is that smoke and mirrors? Sam -- -- Sam Lambie Taosnet Wireless Tech. 575-758-7598 Office www.Taosnet.com </blockquote> -- -- Sam Lambie Taosnet Wireless Tech. 575-758-7598 Office www.Taosnet.com </blockquote> -- -- Sam Lambie Taosnet Wireless Tech. 575-758-7598 Office www.Taosnet.com </blockquote> </blockquote> </blockquote> -- All parts should go together without forcing. You must remember that the parts you are reassembling were disassembled by you. Therefore, if you can't get them together again, there must be a reason. By all means, do not use a hammer. -- IBM maintenance manual, 1925 </blockquote> -- All parts should go together without forcing. You must remember that the parts you are reassembling were disassembled by you. Therefore, if you can't get them together again, there must be a reason. By all means, do not use a hammer. -- IBM maintenance manual, 1925 </blockquote> -- All parts should go together without forcing. You must remember that the parts you are reassembling were disassembled by you. Therefore, if you can't get them together again, there must be a reason. By all means, do not use a hammer. -- IBM maintenance manual, 1925 </blockquote> </blockquote> -- All parts should go together without forcing. You must remember that the parts you are reassembling were disassembled by you. Therefore, if you can't get them together again, there must be a reason. By all means, do not use a hammer. -- IBM maintenance manual, 1925 </blockquote> -- All parts should go together without forcing. You must remember that the parts you are reassembling were disassembled by you. Therefore, if you can't get them together again, there must be a reason. By all means, do not use a hammer. -- IBM maintenance manual, 1925 </blockquote> -- All parts should go together without forcing. You must remember that the parts you are reassembling were disassembled by you. Therefore, if you can't get them together again, there must be a reason. By all means, do not use a hammer. -- IBM maintenance manual, 1925 </blockquote> </blockquote> </blockquote> -- All parts should go together without forcing. You must remember that the parts you are reassembling were disassembled by you. Therefore, if you can't get them together again, there must be a reason. By all means, do not use a hammer. -- IBM maintenance manual, 1925 </blockquote>
