I have 4 v1810-24G's in service, will check.

Josh Reynolds, Chief Information Officer
SPITwSPOTS, www.spitwspots.com <http://www.spitwspots.com>

On 10/24/2014 12:34 PM, Timothy D. McNabb via Af wrote:

The one malfunctioning is a V1810-48G. The one I put together to replace for the trunking as temp is a 2824. The other side is J4904A.

All of our switches of various models we have purchased are managed and support Dynamic LACP and link aggregation. The interfaces and cooling (fan vs fanless) are the only differences in the ones we have. The older units run a Java GUI whereas the newer units have an HTTP setup.

-Tim

*From:*Af [mailto:[email protected]] *On Behalf Of *Josh Reynolds via Af
*Sent:* Friday, October 24, 2014 12:25 PM
*To:* [email protected]
*Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] Dragonwave latency issues

Which model procurve? Many of them are very different.

Josh Reynolds, Chief Information Officer
SPITwSPOTS, www.spitwspots.com <http://www.spitwspots.com>

On 10/24/2014 11:13 AM, Timothy D. McNabb via Af wrote:

    This is really cool. I’m going to check into this and see what I
    come up with JThanks for the input! I love what LACP does in
    theory, I know in some practices it’s not optimal and not
    everyone’s first choice. It is however the recommended method from
    DW and the only one they will support. :-P

    A couple of things that continue to interest me is that the 48
    port that is unmanageable. Assuming it is malfunctioning, by
    DEFAULT HP Procurve switches have dynamic LACP across all ports,
    preventing network loops automatically but also making it
    cumbersome to troubleshoot this particular issue. Knowing that,
    and the possibility of something running FUBAR on one of the
    switches, I think it’s quite possible that the LACP that was
    originally configured on the malfunctioning switch could be the
    culprit for the inbalance. I am programming a 24-port Procurve
    that we have as a spare to handle the trunk to test the theory.

    The older Procurves have lots of options in regards to LACP (their
    console is very much like a Cisco) so I may be able to setup
    something similar to what you’re suggesting. I’ll update as I find
    out more.

    Thanks for the discussion and I love the progression, getting lots
    of ideas from the conversation. J

    Gino, unfortunately because of the Horizon Compact I don’t believe
    we have that option, at least not to get the full 800Mb/s
    (theoretical) from the radios LIt’s been awhile since I went
    through the manual for the setup, but I recall there were some
    negative aspects to linking the radios through port 2 or something
    along those lines.

    And for Bill, since we’re running a large bridged network
    currently (but so happy we’re changing it soon!!) we’re not
    running any routers at the base of our towers. I agree totally if
    we were segmented that OSPF in combination with a few other
    protocols would handle the job and give us some other
    troubleshooting capabilities not available to us in our current
    config. Even packet captures would be cumbersome L

    -Tim

    *From:*Af [mailto:[email protected]] *On Behalf Of *Mark
    Radabaugh via Af
    *Sent:* Friday, October 24, 2014 10:10 AM
    *To:* [email protected] <mailto:[email protected]>
    *Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] Dragonwave latency issues

    Tim,

    Obviously you want to fix the radio issue but I can give you a
    little advice on LACP.

    The switch (or router) doing LACP can take various headers into
account when doing the 'hashing' to decide how to send the flows. If LACP is what you are stuck with (Gino suggested a layer 1
    method) and you have control over the devices doing LACP take a
    look at the LACP Hashing options.   Typical options are MAC
    SRC/DST, MAC Src/Dst + L3 port, or some other options.    If most
    of your traffic is flowing between two interfaces (a router at
    each end) the MAC src/dst hashing sends everything over one of the
    links.   You want to find a hashing method that has more
    randomness to it.   In at least one case where we use that we had
    to resort to not using the LACP functionality the radio
    manufacturer provided and use the better LACP options in our
    Juniper and Cisco switches in order to make the traffic balance on
    the interfaces.

    Mark


    On 10/24/14, 12:38 PM, Timothy D. McNabb via Af wrote:

        We have now been able to trace to the heart of the problem,
        though unfortunately still attempting to determine the cause.
        To give you a rough background, we have a main link that
        “bonds” 2 Dragonwaves together to form one unit (using the
        dual radio mount). The DW manual states for this to work when
        doubling the throughput, it is required to use LACP trunking.
        We have this in place and it has been working fine up until
        recently. The trunk is still active (no network loop) however
        one radio is working more than the other, eventually
        saturating one of the two links and causing the latency. The
        second set of radios aren’t performing in terms of actual
        traffic (signal is ok) but at most they’ve moved 200Mb/s even
        though they are licensed for 400Mbs.

        The link with the LACP has more or less load-balanced itself
        in the past, however they are now performing very asymmetrical
        at this point with over a 200Mb/s difference. I understand
        that LACP does not actively load balance but that’s what has
        been observed in the past. I suspect the issue is being caused
        by one of the switches doing the trunking (we just discovered
        it is unmanageable but still operating, again no network
        loop). It’s either that or the one leg of the link itself with
        the low bandwidth usage is not working properly despite
        indications otherwise.

        We’ll investigate our theories but always looking for
        additional input J

        -Tim

        *From:*Af [mailto:[email protected]] *On Behalf Of *Josh
        Reynolds via Af
        *Sent:* Thursday, October 23, 2014 1:47 PM
        *To:* [email protected] <mailto:[email protected]>
        *Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] Dragonwave latency issues

        You can do a bit more with metro-e style NIDS... those have
        the layer2 tools to do proper testing.

        Josh Reynolds, Chief Information Officer
        SPITwSPOTS, www.spitwspots.com <http://www.spitwspots.com>

        On 10/23/2014 12:37 PM, Eric Kuhnke via Af wrote:

            it's going to be really hard to do any meaningful
            diagnostics with a layer 2 switch on each end, not
            routers...  you could be seeing a broadcast flood of some
            type.

            On Thu, Oct 23, 2014 at 1:10 PM, Timothy D. McNabb via Af
            <[email protected] <mailto:[email protected]>> wrote:

            Unfortunately there is no QoS and flow control is off on
            the switches L

            Dragonwave was contacted as well. No determination yet though.

            -Tim

            *From:*Af [mailto:[email protected]
            <mailto:[email protected]>] *On Behalf Of *Peter Kranz
            via Af
            *Sent:* Wednesday, October 22, 2014 1:36 PM


            *To:* [email protected] <mailto:[email protected]>
            *Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] Dragonwave latency issues

            Backpressure from the switches in terms of flow-control
            can show as latency on dragonwave links.

            Disable any QOS features on the dragonwave if you are
            using them.

            Email dragonwave support

            *Peter Kranz
            *Founder/CEO - Unwired Ltd
            www.UnwiredLtd.com <http://www.unwiredltd.com/>
            Desk: 510-868-1614 x100
            Mobile: 510-207-0000
            [email protected] <mailto:[email protected]>

            *From:*Af [mailto:[email protected]] *On Behalf Of
            *Timothy D. McNabb via Af
            *Sent:* Wednesday, October 22, 2014 1:15 PM
            *To:* [email protected] <mailto:[email protected]>
            *Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] Dragonwave latency issues

            No routers between, just switches.

            -Tim

            *From:*Af [mailto:[email protected]] *On Behalf Of
            *Paul Conlin via Af
            *Sent:* Wednesday, October 22, 2014 12:22 PM
            *To:* [email protected] <mailto:[email protected]>
            *Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] Dragonwave latency issues

Could the routers at each end be the limiting factor? What is their CPU utilization when the link is loaded? What happens to latency if you stress the link at 200 Mbps
            with a speed test?  Those radios should be able to do
            close to 400 Mbps all day long with no latency.

            PC

            Blaze Broadband

            *From:*Af [mailto:[email protected]] *On Behalf Of
            *Joshua Heide via Af
            *Sent:* Wednesday, October 22, 2014 3:06 PM
            *To:* [email protected] <mailto:[email protected]>
            *Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] Dragonwave latency issues

            Yes it’s a horizon compact

            Bandwidth of the unit is 400mbs

            Bandwidth usage between 150-200mbs during peak hours.

            No QOS

            Yes during non-peak hours its sits at 1ms

            SNR        35.00 dB

            From our prtg graphs this issues has started end of
            September and latency has gotten worse during peak times
            as we have deployed more 450 gear to that tower.

            I currently have HAAM enabled on the link and it stays at
            256qam unless we have some bad weather.

            Josh Heide

            Velociter Wireless

            (office) 209-838-1221

            (fax) 209-838-1800

            www.velociter.net <http://www.velociter.net/>

            *From:*Af [mailto:[email protected]] *On Behalf Of
            *Bill Prince via Af
            *Sent:* Wednesday, October 22, 2014 11:47 AM
            *To:* [email protected] <mailto:[email protected]>
            *Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] Dragonwave latency issues

            So it's a Horizon Compact?

            What is the total bandwidth, and what percentage are you
            using?  Have you set up any QOS?  180 ms sounds like a
            lot; especially when ours are typically less than 1 ms.

            -38 is right in the game. What are the other parameters
            besides signal level?

            bp

            On 10/22/2014 11:18 AM, Joshua Heide via Af wrote:

                We have a dragonwave that has latency issues that
                coincide with traffic peak times. As our traffic peaks
                so does that latency at 180ms. Any ideas that could
                cause this?

                Signal is -38

                Current HAAM Mode       hc50_364_256qam

                Thanks,

                Josh Heide

                Velociter Wireless

                (office) 209-838-1221

                (fax) 209-838-1800

                www.velociter.net <http://www.velociter.net/>





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