I’ve had some bad experiences with Newegg and avoid buying from them now. I think they’re trying to be like Amazon, they are different from the Newegg of a few years ago. Third party stores. Limited quantities. And I spotted some fraudulent activity where someone was sending Newegg gift cards from my account but not with my credit card, very strange. I was not very happy with my experience when I called Newegg phone support to report it, starting with an hour on hold just to talk to someone.
And I’m not too thrilled with Amazon either. I used to only buy things that were sold and fulfilled by Amazon, but the way they comingle stock at their warehouses, you can still get grey market or outright fake merchandise because they combine stock from third parties with stock direct from manufacturers in the same bin. Reported by WSJ back in May. I’ve also had outright substitutions from Amazon where they ship a totally different brand than was advertised, they took it back, but it was a waste of my time. Also stupid stuff like I order 10 surge strips and they stock a quantity of 1 at each warehouse so I receive 10 separate shipments each with one surge strip. The best thing about Newegg is probably the user reviews, but I’d rather buy from a place like PCNation even if the price is a little higher. No shenanigans, great support, and dedicated acct mgrs for business customers. But I know, if you’re building a lot of computers from parts, you’re going to need a place like Newegg or Microcenter that carries a bazillion SKUs. From: josh--- via Af Sent: Tuesday, December 09, 2014 3:39 PM To: [email protected] Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Atom D525 vs C2750 servermonkey. com has good chassis pricing, just don't buy ram or drives from them, newegg those On December 9, 2014 11:33:46 AM AKST, Eric Kuhnke via Af <[email protected]> wrote: If you really want redundancy for the lowest cost, and electrical consumption/heat is not a problem, buy a used HP or IBM 1U server off eBay with no drives. Add your own serial ata ssd raid-1 pair. Can't beat $450 for a system with ECC ram and dual hotswap power supplies. It won't be the fastest and latest CPU but it'll be more fault tolerant. On Dec 9, 2014 10:46 AM, "Ken Hohhof via Af" <[email protected]> wrote: Passmark is not everything. Most gamers for example care only about processor speed not cores or threads. Throwing dual socket 18 core Xeons at a game would accomplish nothing. On the other hand, something like BIND by default creates as many listener and worker threads as the processor can handle, and I suspect being able to handle many tasks in parallel in separate threads is important. So the 4-core 8-thread ATOM might perform better against the 2-core 4-thread i3 than Passmark would indicate. For a Windows server, the i3 would probably leave the ATOM in the dust. I think another question is whether you want a compact case with an external power supply, or a rackmount case with an internal power supply, depends on where it is going. Another consideration is common spare parts like fans and power supplies, since those are what typically fails. However a 200W power supply probably nullifies some of the low power consumption, although for me the main thing about low power consumption is passive cooling and reliability. Also do you care about features like ECC memory (probably hard to argue for unless you worry about solar flares) and IPMI (maybe more justifiable). -----Original Message----- From: Paul Conlin via Af Sent: Tuesday, December 09, 2014 11:47 AM To: [email protected] Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Atom D525 vs C2750 Yes, but Eric's i3 suggestion, in a Newegg combo kit is $222 (http://www.newegg.com/Product/ComboBundleDetails.aspx?ItemList=Combo.171263 2) as an example. Add a $100 case and it is just a little more than half the price of this SM C2750. It doubles the TDP but for a CPU that scores 3.5 times better than the ATOM on the PassMark CPU score. This example is micro ATX but mini ITX boards are available. You have to really want low power to pay so much more for the ATOM. This might explain why the ATOM server market is so relaxed. PC Blaze Broadband -----Original Message----- From: Af [mailto:[email protected]] On Behalf Of Ken Hohhof via Af Sent: Tuesday, December 9, 2014 11:36 AM To: [email protected] Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Atom D525 vs C2750 I've been pretty happy with the D510/D525 even with the limited speed, cores, memory addressing and onboard cache. I like the low power consumption and passive heatsinks. What I'm looking at is Supermicro 5018A-TN4: http://gopcn.com/i-16556899-supermicro-1u-atom-5018a-tn4.html Not all that cheap, but it's a genuine server with ECC memory, IPMI, short depth rackmount, and with the 2.5" HDD bracket can easily hold two SSD's for a software RAID1 configuration. Set the fan at lowest speed and even if it fails it should not really be needed unless you have it in a hostile environment. Probably fine with 4MB RAM and 128GB storage, maybe more storage for RADIUS or CACTI. BIND does a good job of multithreading and will use however many cores you give it, not sure about RADIUS and CACTI. D525 has 2 cores and 4 threads, C2750 has 8 cores and 8 threads plus a somewhat higher clock speed, so I'm figuring 2- 3 times the performance? It's definitely more money though. -----Original Message----- From: Paul Conlin via Af Sent: Tuesday, December 09, 2014 9:58 AM To: [email protected] Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Atom D525 vs C2750 We have been planning on standing up a couple of light duty Linux servers to upgrade our DNS and RADIUS and maybe even a CACTI upgrade later. Are these newer ATOM platforms and a couple of small SSD's up to these tasks? How does the D525 do? It appears the C2750 has been out for nearly a year but I'm are not finding too many products using them. Intel's chart makes it look like the C2550 (4 cores vs 8 cores) might be a more cost effective replacement to the D525. But there are even fewer C2550 motherboards out there and they are not significantly cheaper than the C2750 or even the D525. Are we just not looking in the right places or is this low-cost low-TDP server market just really small? PC Blaze Broadband > -----Original Message----- > From: Af [mailto:[email protected]] On Behalf Of Ken Hohhof via Af > Sent: Saturday, December 6, 2014 2:57 PM > To: [email protected] > Subject: [AFMUG] Atom D525 vs C2750 > > I have several small Linux servers using Atom D525 processors for > tasks like DNS and > RADIUS, I even have one running Win7 that I use for PRTG and CNUT and > RDP sessions. Put a couple 128 GB SSDs in them and with passive > cooling and low TDP > you have an almost indestructible little server. > > Going forward, I'm wondering if I should look at the newer C2750 > version, it would > seem to support more memory and storage, 4x as many cores, 2x as many threads, > higher clock speed, more cache, supports ECC memory, but at a higher > price and TDP, > and the Ethernet NICs might not be as good as the 82574L chips on the motherboards > I have been using. Also at that price point you could question the > value compared to > just using an i3 or E3 processor. And even if the D525 is an old > design with limited > cores, cache and memory addressing, it does the job, so the only > reason to use the > newer chips may be for future proofing. > > So has anyone done the analysis or actually deployed C2750 based servers? -- Sent from my Android device with K-9 Mail. Please excuse my brevity.
