I think that’s just for one basestation, right?  So imagine 3 of them at a site.


From: Bill Prince 
Sent: Tuesday, February 17, 2015 12:20 PM
To: [email protected] 
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] 320SMs Gathering ethernet Error stats

Wow. 90 watts? Gulp. Even 85 would be hard to swallow. I blanch with AF24 at 50 
watts.

Takes a lot of infrastructure to run that kind of stuff on a solar site.


bp
<part15sbs{at}gmail{dot}com>

On 2/17/2015 10:14 AM, Adam Moffett wrote:

  If I recall correctly, the 1000 was the only choice that made any sense. 
Though I haven't looked lately and I can't remember why.

  The power consumption is a bitch. When you're used to 7 watt PMP100, which 
would run all day on a stack of little alarm panel batteries, going to 90 watts 
is a big deal. They say 125W peak on the spec sheet btw, but actual 
measurements say 85-90. On new sites I'm figuring four group31 batteries. Then 
consider the bigger charger, bigger PDU, bigger box to hold all this bigger 
stuff.....
  Basically TCO just keeps going up, and I'm glad I'm not writing the checks.

  ....I'm still not selling this am I?


    Looking at the datasheet, the 1000 is the only version I would call 
“compact”. Compared to the PW basestation we have, it is a much nicer physical 
design the way the BS and antenna mount and cable up.  Still the guy in the 
installation video must be as strong as an ox to hold it with one hand while 
using a wrench with the other.

    I think a downside to all the WiMAX and LTE gear is it’s designed for 
licensed bands where you can run higher xmt power than we are allowed, so the 
power consumption and physical size are bigger than I suspect a 3.65 only 
product would be.  The SDR approach no doubt increases size and power 
consumption as well compared to something built around ASICs.

    But at least Telrad/Alvarion has 3 different sizes, not sure exactly what 
the tradeoffs are between the 1000, 2000 and 3000.


    From: Adam Moffett 
    Sent: Tuesday, February 17, 2015 10:54 AM
    To: [email protected] 
    Subject: Re: [AFMUG] 320SMs Gathering ethernet Error stats

    LTE is the light at the end of my tunnel right now, bro....don't ruin the 
magic. 

    I don't know about "hasn't yet been tested".  The LTE firmware is basically 
beta, but it's said to be functional.  Functional enough that they offered to 
let me run it anyway.  I might still take them up on the offer, but for their 
sake and mine I hope it blows my mind with how awesome it is.

    The only smoke and mirrors I'm aware of is that whenever they tell you 
about the awesome-sauce they have, they're definitely talking about LTE and the 
near future.  What they have right now is not the Corvette they're trying to 
sell you.  What they have now is equally quirky as the 320, but 10x harder to 
use.  It does have 4 antenna ports and if you want to, you can run two base 
stations out of one unit, using two different channels and two BSID's.  So you 
do get two base stations for the price of two base stations.  Or the four 
antenna ports give you antenna diversity at the base station....which they say 
gives you a little more margin in the upload direction.  They claim better 
performance, but I can't point to any of the Compact base stations and say, 
"ah, this one is doing more than a 320 could have."  

    It's a good thing I'm not in sales.  I would be terrible at it.  It's not a 
bad product, it's just not the awesome product I would like it to be.


      I was all about the Telrad koolaid until I sat in on a webinar and saw 
the plethora of smoke and mirrors. Im concerned when a company has a product 
with attached promises of greatness based on standards based technology that 
hasnt yet been tested on their own hardware and the promises have the caveat of 
no longer being standards based. But I do like the promises of the magic they 
will have like being able to use what would have been interference from another 
AP in the system as usable client signal, however im not sure how much IP likes 
traversing to isolated sites at once. 

      I really hate not having any ethernet stats or control on the 320, I 
never understood that being locked out

      On Tue, Feb 17, 2015 at 10:05 AM, Adam Moffett <[email protected]> 
wrote:

        Did they promise you it's going to get better? 

        Buying Wimax feels like buying a Chevy Cobalt for the price of a 
Corvette, based on the promise that they're delivering the Corvette next year.

        Moto never delivered the Corvette.� Alvarion/Telrad still says the 
Corvette is coming.


          I would have to check the MIB for the basestation, that was not 
something I ever tried to graph.� The CPE was generic Gemtek and Greenpacket 
stuff, so no, very little remote monitoring capability.
          �
          I dread every time I have to log into the Purewave GUI and do 
anything, it is so cumbersome.� I guess actually the Greenpacket GUI is easy 
to use, just lacking in functionality.
          �
          �
          From: Adam Moffett 
          Sent: Tuesday, February 17, 2015 9:44 AM
          To: [email protected] 
          Subject: Re: [AFMUG] 320SMs Gathering ethernet Error stats
          �
          Did any of your Purewave stuff give you ethernet error counters?


            So much for 4G stuff being �carrier class�.� Or maybe in that 
world, CPE is customer-owned-equipment and not the responsibility of the 
network operator to monitor.
            �
            �
            From: Adam Moffett 
            Sent: Tuesday, February 17, 2015 9:12 AM
            To: [email protected] 
            Subject: Re: [AFMUG] 320SMs Gathering ethernet Error stats
            �
            If you figure it out, let me know.� It's one of my biggest pet 
peeves about the 320.

            I'm sad to report that none of the Telrad CPE to seem to have it 
either.....so maybe a Gemtek chipset limitation?


              Is there an OID to gather Ethernet errors from the 320SMs in 
either bridge and/or NAT mode?

              �

              Paul

              �

              Paul McCall, Pres.

              PDMNet / Florida Broadband 

              658 Old Dixie Highway

              Vero Beach, FL 32962

              772-564-6800 office

              772-473-0352 cell

              www.pdmnet.com

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