Re: [AFMUG] splain the AC ubnt line

[Eric Kuhnke]

Isn't that nice, they get to take your money and earn interest (or whatever) on it for months until the product ships. Negligibly tiny amount for one order, but multiply by hundreds of customers each ordering thousands of dollars of gear. Many vendors only bill for back-ordered products when they actually ship. On 3/23/15 10:26 PM, Jeremy wrote: My AF5X order from Streakwave is like that.  From the invoice: "Non Cancellable/Non Refundable Orders: Items ordered under these terms are  non-cancellable and non-refundable.  Prepayment may be required for purchase  of NCNR items. Products purchased under  these terms are considered all sales  final with warranty service provided by  the manufacturer where applicable." On Mon, Mar 23, 2015 at 3:46 PM, Mathew Howard <mhoward...@gmail.com> wrote: Right, exactly.  If the distributor just hasn't gotten their order yet, and they expect it soon is entirely different than if they didn't order enough to fulfill their commitment... if that's the case, and they refuse to cancel the order, I certainly wouldn't be dealing with them again. On Mon, Mar 23, 2015 at 4:36 PM, Josh Luthman <j...@imaginenetworksllc.com> wrote: Depends on the circumstance.  If it's the first shipment of the product and theirs arrives an extra day or two, you shouldn't be canceling IMO.  In the event they didn't order enough to fulfill their commitment, cancelling should be no problem and distributor should apologize. Worst case scenario if they're being ridiculous you can always refuse the charge on your credit card, but that looks bad on both parties. Josh Luthman Office: 937-552-2340 Direct: 937-552-2343 1100 Wayne St Suite 1337 Troy, OH 45373 On Mon, Mar 23, 2015 at 5:08 PM, Mathew Howard <mhoward...@gmail.com> wrote: Probably, but in that case, it seems more productive to complain to the distributor... since they are available elsewhere, there's a good chance they'll be willing to cancel the order... since it appears to be their fault for not ordering enough, or ordering late. On Mon, Mar 23, 2015 at 3:50 PM, Nate Burke <n...@blastcomm.com> wrote: If he pre-ordered, the Distributor may have put a no-cancel on the order, and made him prepay something..... On 3/23/2015 3:48 PM, Ken Hohhof wrote: Tim, why would you not order them elsewhere and cancel the order from the distributor who doesn’t have stock?   From: Ben Moore Sent: Monday, March 23, 2015 3:28 PM To: af@afmug.com Subject: Re: [AFMUG] splain the AC ubnt line   What exactly would you like me to do?  We are telling you where units are available.  As I mentioned distributors place orders at different times and some new products get ordered sooner than others.   On Mon, Mar 23, 2015 at 2:15 PM, <t...@nwohiobb.com> wrote: Mike its one of the main distributor for ubnt and ben wont do anything about it.... Tim On 2015-03-23 16:06, Mike Hammett wrote: Sounds like your distributor sucks. ;-) ----- Mike Hammett Intelligent Computing Solutions http://www.ics-il.com ------------------------- FROM: t...@nwohiobb.com TO: af@afmug.com SENT: Monday, March 23, 2015 3:03:54 PM SUBJECT: Re: [AFMUG] splain the AC ubnt line Well it doesnt help me any if I already got mine ordered but the distributor is dragging there feet to get mine to me On 2015-03-23 15:42, Ben Moore wrote: Thanks Jeremy! On Mon, Mar 23, 2015 at 1:37 PM, Jeremy <jeremysmi...@gmail.com> wrote: Streakwave has them (PBE-5AC-620) in stock now. I am picking some up on will call. On Sat, Mar 21, 2015 at 8:55 AM, Tim Reichhart <t...@nwohiobb.com> wrote: Rory Ben told me it as been shipping since dec and I have ordered mine and I keep getting told I wont have mine until may which is totally uncalled for. Tim FROM: Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com] ON BEHALF OF Rory Conaway SENT: Saturday, March 21, 2015 1:37 AM TO: af@afmug.com SUBJECT: Re: [AFMUG] splain the AC ubnt line Is the PBE-5AC-620 shipping yet? Rory FROM: Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com] ON BEHALF OF Rory Conaway SENT: Friday, March 20, 2015 3:43 PM TO: af@afmug.com SUBJECT: Re: [AFMUG] splain the AC ubnt line If I set up a new tower with 802.11ac, am I going to have any problems getting CPE’s over the next 3 months? Is there any chance of supply shortages? Rory FROM: Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com] ON BEHALF OF Ben Moore SENT: Friday, March 20, 2015 2:59 PM TO: af@afmug.com SUBJECT: Re: [AFMUG] splain the AC ubnt line That is the good thing about these...they are being air shipped ;-) You can imagine what I would say with all of the port issues if they were going "on the boat" ;) On Fri, Mar 20, 2015 at 3:54 PM, Josh Luthman <j...@imaginenetworksllc.com> wrote: I can't think of any. If you take the word "soon" and "on the boat" out of your emails, we'd save about 15 terabytes of storage. Josh Luthman Office: 937-552-2340 [1] Direct: 937-552-2343 [2] 1100 Wayne St Suite 1337 Troy, OH 45373 On Fri, Mar 20, 2015 at 5:51 PM, Ben Moore <ben.mo...@ubnt.com> wrote: Come on now...I know I have done it at least once before in the last 15 years...Man, can't believe it has already been 15 years!!!! On Fri, Mar 20, 2015 at 3:46 PM, Josh Luthman <j...@imaginenetworksllc.com> wrote: Well they may or may not be reliable, but you stated a quantifiable value. That has to be a first. Josh Luthman Office: 937-552-2340 [1] Direct: 937-552-2343 [2] 1100 Wayne St Suite 1337 Troy, OH 45373 On Fri, Mar 20, 2015 at 5:42 PM, Ben Moore <ben.mo...@ubnt.com> wrote: Hey, who says they are accurate?? On Fri, Mar 20, 2015 at 3:39 PM, Josh Luthman <j...@imaginenetworksllc.com> wrote: Did Ben...just measure...in accurate numbers????????????? Josh Luthman Office: 937-552-2340 [1] Direct: 937-552-2343 [2] 1100 Wayne St Suite 1337 Troy, OH 45373 On Fri, Mar 20, 2015 at 5:31 PM, Ben Moore <ben.mo...@ubnt.com> wrote: No, but should be in distributors hands in ~7-10 days. On Fri, Mar 20, 2015 at 3:30 PM, That One Guy <thatoneguyst...@gmail.com> wrote: this is a cheap link, nanopowerbeams are integrated not connectorized I didnt give much thought to the AF5x since its not in anybodys actual hands yet is it? On Fri, Mar 20, 2015 at 4:24 PM, Mathew Howard <mhoward...@gmail.com> wrote: I guess because you're too cheap to spend an extra $400 on the link? Personally, I wouldn't... if I'm going to go cheap, might as well go all the way cheap and use a pair of NanoPowerBeams. On Fri, Mar 20, 2015 at 4:18 PM, Josh Luthman <j...@imaginenetworksllc.com> wrote: I don't know why you'd do UBNT AC when you can do AF5x unless it needs done in the next couple weeks. Josh Luthman Office: 937-552-2340 [1] Direct: 937-552-2343 [2] 1100 Wayne St Suite 1337 Troy, OH 45373 On Fri, Mar 20, 2015 at 5:16 PM, Mathew Howard <mhoward...@gmail.com> wrote: Yes, the Rockets are the only connectorized units. The Lite is cheap and can do PtP or PtMP, but does not have airprism. The PtP and PtMP have airPrism, but there's apparently differences in airprism between the two which means they will always be limited to ptp or ptmp, as far as I know this is going to be a permanent separation. The AC radios have faster CPUs and that sort of thing, so they are going to perform better than the old junk, they also have some spiffy features like live airview. The biggest downside to the AC line at this point is the lack of DFS and UNII-1. I personally wouldn't put up anything with the old M5 stuff at this point unless you need to for compatibility reasons, UBNT AC should perform best of the three, but ePMP gives you a bit more flexibility at this point. I expect AF5x to be better than any of them in every way. On Fri, Mar 20, 2015 at 4:02 PM, That One Guy <thatoneguyst...@gmail.com> wrote: The current iteractions of the rocket AC line, these are the only connectorized units? What are the differences between lite, ptp, and ptmp airprism only? Are some of these shipping without all there guts? I am looking at replacing an old shitbucket tranzeo link, we already have it connected to one pol of a set of radiowaves 2 foot HP parabolics. I figure its worth checking out these AC radios, but I dont know whats what now, is this a permanent separation with UBNT of ptp and ptmp or is this two things that are going to converge? Other than the Ac component, for a low throughput demand link is there any major benefit of going to the AC over the M5 in terms of performance? (future demand is a factor as well) Also considering the epmp, goods, bads uglies between the three products there? -- If you only see yourself as part of the team but you don't see your team as part of yourself you have already failed as part of the team. -- If you only see yourself as part of the team but you don't see your team as part of yourself you have already failed as part of the team. Links: ------ [1] tel:937-552-2340 [2] tel:937-552-2343