Seems like the RB850Gx2 gets no love? From: Josh Baird Sent: Monday, March 30, 2015 6:57 PM To: [email protected] Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Mikrotik Pros/Cons and recomendations
We have a ton of 450G's out in the field at towers for smaller sites. We also typically use the 450G as a 'managed router' solution for dedicated business customers. Backhauls go into routed ports, AP's go into a bridge. When we need more interfaces, we start to look at the 2011 for small to medium sized sites. We have 1100AHX2's at our larger sites mostly due to the number of interfaces. We usually don't put switches at sites although this will probably change as we are considering deploying the Netonix DC switches at the top-of-tower for some sites. We do not use MT for the edge and core of our network. If you do choose to go with MT in the edge role, I would look into x86, especially if you are taking full routing tables from your provider(s). As others have said (and I will echo); if you are used to a L2 switch like HP/Cisco and need to do much with VLANs, you may want to stick with them. Josh On Mon, Mar 30, 2015 at 7:45 PM, That One Guy <[email protected]> wrote: Great input guys, I truly appreciate it. On the RB110 AH, I see "Includes switch to enable Ethernet bypass mode in two ports" What is this? Tell me it turns those two ports into a couple if the router fails, that would be nice if we opt to fully route our backhauls. Currently, at the sites we have routers at, we have all the backhauls and our battery backup coming into a switch ( had a failed RSTP implementation previously, then moved to manual redundant failover), this connects the a port on a router, then the interior port of the router connects to a switch that houses the site APs. assuming I dont exceed the number of ports in the device I can still bridge ports and achieve essentially the same thing, freeing up both battery consumption and cost? I like the modular approach of three things (APs tend to be the source of lighting taking out the internal switch, but leaving the backhauls intact), but it does add substantial hurt when lighting strikes in replacement costs, especially at small sites. We have imagestream rebel routers for our two primary, we have never had any performance issue or trouble out of them. Without actually going and looking at the specs on the two I think I would be safe at this point to replace them with the RB110AH, and move them downstream replacing them with these CCRs or a third party hardware as we progress to a respectable network if there is any impact? This would be a preferred POP router as well, with the option of smaller sites using a smaller (cheaper) unit until the site demanded it. For the customer, we only provide the air router for cheap wireless, with no guarantees on coverage, we set the ESSID based on their name and the key based on their MAC, no exceptions, policy is if theyre having problems, we shut the wireless off and have them purchase their own AP or wireless router and replace ours, seeking in house wireless support from that vendor. If we can source the RB951-2N at a comparable price to the air router, then with our wireless policy in mind it is a sufficient replacement with more potential features including gigabit ethernet? Getting the routed network components under a single interface has a huge amount of benefit to me in regard to getting my guys capable of replacing me if that came to pass. The current network requires familiarity with too many brands and too many interfaces to have an unmotivated second. If I get hit by a bus tomorrow, the company could reach out to the community to get a handle on the design even without my poorly documented notes. On Mon, Mar 30, 2015 at 6:06 PM, Gilbert Gutierrez <[email protected]> wrote: I would also suggest getting a WISP consulting company involved if you have questions on what products to use. BGP can be an issue with full routes on a CCR due to the way RouterOS is designed with that processor. x86 processor handles BGP great. With that being said, I have over a Gigabit of traffic flowing over some CCR routers with full routing tables from 2 providers and it works fine (for well over a year). I have a third provider with one of Dennis' x86 machines and it also works great. Gilbert T. Gutierrez, Jr. Operations Manager Phoenix Internet On 3/30/2015 2:51 PM, Dennis Burgess wrote: Steve, I would suggest listening to the people here as well as maybe getting a WISP consulting company to steer you in the right direction . Also the MT vendor should be able to give you all of the recommendations that you need on hardware. . Lots of options, however, you may be able to get off with less expensive routers but that’s depends on what you are doing, and/or what you are planning for. Dennis Burgess, CTO, Link Technologies, Inc. [email protected] – 314-735-0270 – www.linktechs.net From: Af [mailto:[email protected]] On Behalf Of That One Guy Sent: Monday, March 30, 2015 2:27 PM To: [email protected] Subject: [AFMUG] Mikrotik Pros/Cons and recomendations After poking around at many different brands, it seems Mikrotik is the right fit for our network and budget. I dont fully understand the licensing tiers Is there a sizing chart on these? Is the interface similar between the router models and the switch models? Are the mikrotik switches comparable to the HP procurve in reliability? It would be the bees knees to see out network more universal as far as management interfaces go, we have three purposes for routers: our upstream routers, which we have 2, will ultimately be running OSPF internally and BGP externally (current thought) 200mbps-1gbps projected need through the next couple of years. Our network/POP routers ranging from 1 customer at a POP to 150 A residential solution comparable to the UBNT AirRouters (1-25mbps rate plans) wifi capable. If the switches have similar interfaces, we would look toward replacing a combination of UBNT toughswitch POE, and a variety of HP procurves from 1810G to 2510G and their other POE models. I note alot of discussion regarding MT ethernet negotiation flakiness, how much of an impact does this present? Right now we have imagestream and fortigate on the network, and have zero issues with that. The decision to go toward mikrotik is primarily based on cost and community support availability within the industry. (this consideration has alot to do with a single point of administrative failure in only having one person, me, training to design, maintain, support, and grow the network, in the event i became absent from the picture) The winbox interface and feature availability within was also a primary consideration for support staff. I would like to her from people entrenched in MT who love/hate it, anybody who turned their back on it, and anybody who moved toward it. -- If you only see yourself as part of the team but you don't see your team as part of yourself you have already failed as part of the team. -- If you only see yourself as part of the team but you don't see your team as part of yourself you have already failed as part of the team.
