There are a lot of us in rural areas that will likely never see 70 subs on a tower, much less per AP.
In those areas there is little profit margin, none if using any of the higher priced equipment. Just about every tower I have is ours or has very low rent. It is actually cheaper for me to put up a Rohn 25 than rent space on a tower. I also don't have to deal with a lot of congestion issues you guys see. Squirrels and cows aren't big Internet users, so the 2.4GHz band is fairly clean around here. ----- Original Message ----- From: Trey Scarborough To: [email protected] Sent: Saturday, May 16, 2015 9:12 AM Subject: Re: [AFMUG] ePMP vs Ubiquiti AC You would if you have 70-100 subs per AP Yeah I know your not supposed to do that... So far for most of the networks I have seen with epmp/ubnt vs pmp over 3-4 years TCO is about the same. This however depends on your deployment. Ubnt/epmp are significantly less expensive in some situations and actually pmp can be the least costing in some as well. It all depends on your situation. If you have free space on strictures that don't require a tower crew to deploy and rent is low per AP then the cost savings with UBNT/epmp is great. If you are paying for tower crews and $3500 a year per sector then pmp may be a better solution. The other situation I think most people don't consider is that something that cost more is worth more. Not necessarily in actual usefull value but in truly monetary sense. How many people actually RMA a nanostation? Not very many it goes in the trash becasue it isn't worth my time to go through the process. Therefor there is not a large market for re-manufactured or used equipment. Therefor resell value isn't very good. Bad resell value makes it harder to get leases and loans on the equipment in some situations. As well as for some companies it shows up on the books better. It can be a detriment as well if you have to pay property taxes on it though. It all depends on your market and installation requirements different products for different needs. On 05/15/2015 09:15 PM, Mathew Howard wrote: I don't know whether there's a significant advantage to PMP over ePMP for residential applictions (since I've never used PMP450), but knowing what is possible with ePMP and UBNT, I don't see how PMP could ever generate enough additional revenue to pay for itself in our market. On Fri, May 15, 2015 at 9:09 PM, Mike Hammett <[email protected]> wrote: I don't consider there to be a significant advantage to PMP over the ePMP for residential applications. ----- Mike Hammett Intelligent Computing Solutions http://www.ics-il.com -------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: "Adam Moffett" <[email protected]> To: [email protected] Sent: Friday, May 15, 2015 8:41:03 PM Subject: Re: [AFMUG] ePMP vs Ubiquiti AC I've always considered mbps to be among the least important concerns on PTMP, well below packet loss, jitter, QoS features, manageability, consistency, and reliability. Which is why I'm not super keen on *any* of the wifi stuff. This seems is like an argument about whether a Pinto is better than a Fiesta. </smug> One could say "I can sync but I can only get 60 Mbps per sub" (*) Another person could say "I can't sync but I can get 200+ Mbps per sub" (*) (*) under the right conditions Your market and deployment strats will dictate which is more important. Josh Reynolds CIO, SPITwSPOTS www.spitwspots.comOn 05/15/2015 04:56 PM, SmarterBroadband wrote: But no sync. From: Af [mailto:[email protected]] On Behalf Of Peter Kranz Sent: Friday, May 15, 2015 3:12 PM To: [email protected] Subject: Re: [AFMUG] ePMP vs Ubiquiti AC AC blows doors on ePMP Peter Kranz www.UnwiredLtd.com Desk: 510-868-1614 x100 Mobile: 510-207-0000 [email protected] From: Af [mailto:[email protected]] On Behalf Of Jason McKemie Sent: Friday, May 15, 2015 11:21 AM To: [email protected] Subject: [AFMUG] ePMP vs Ubiquiti AC I know this isn't an apples to apples comparison, but what are other's thoughts on these two products? I'm looking at 5GHz, and I know the AC gear doesn't have the lower 5GHz bands - hopefully they will in the near future. -Jason
