Most likely it isn't the control systems they took control of.  Probably the 
GPS.  Todays jets are pretty simple.  You learned to do all of it manually but 
in reality most pilots today just take off and land and that is about it.  Rest 
of it is all automatic by tuning in alt/speed and nav points.  In fact most of 
it is just preparing the nav,  frequencies and approach plates.  So if they can 
get into the gps system then they could push new coords in.  

There are some wireless comms as well that can pull and push information to 
engines and other systems.  How that gets distributed inside the plane is 
probably all switched and vlan'ed as Josh said.  

----- Original Message -----
From: "Chuck McCown" <[email protected]>
To: [email protected]
Sent: Monday, May 18, 2015 10:42:30 AM
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] I'll be looking at the guy across the aisle with the       
open laptop a little more closely on my next flight

But when the FMS sends a command to an aileron, I will be gobsmacked to 
discover that commend involved ethernet in any way.  There is triple redundancy 
on the fly by wire systems.  

However, if there is some kind of ethernet port on the FMS that could be used 
to take over FMS in some kind of diagnostic mode, I could believe that might be 
able to be used.  

I am thinking this hacker is wanting 15 minutes of fame.  He may get 15 years 
of s**t storm instead.  

From: Josh Luthman 
Sent: Monday, May 18, 2015 8:38 AM
To: [email protected] 
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] I'll be looking at the guy across the aisle with the open 
laptop a little more closely on my next flight

IIRC on Boeing the info network and flight control stuff is separated by 
nothing more than a VLAN.


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On Mon, May 18, 2015 at 10:37 AM, Chuck McCown <[email protected]> wrote:

  I am going to totally dis-believe that anyone can issue flight control 
commands over an ethernet network accessible by an under the passenger seat box 
of electronics.  First, I doubt that critical flight hardware speaks garden 
variety ethernet.  Second, I have to believe there is an air gap between 
infotainment and critical networks.

  But I didn't believe Lance Armstrong could have ever been guilty of doping 
either.

  -----Original Message----- From: WaveDirect
  Sent: Monday, May 18, 2015 8:26 AM
  To: [email protected]
  Subject: Re: [AFMUG] I'll be looking at the guy across the aisle with the 
open laptop a little more closely on my next flight 


  Yeah ... makes me wonder what the hell they were thinking by allowing the 
wifi network be on the same network as the flight controls.

  This is a possible Cylon situation.

  ----- Original Message -----
  From: "Rory Conaway" <[email protected]>
  To: [email protected]
  Sent: Saturday, May 16, 2015 5:21:38 PM
  Subject: [AFMUG] I'll be looking at the guy across the aisle with the open 
laptop a little more closely on my next flight

  http://www.wired.com/2015/05/feds-say-banned-researcher-commandeered-plane/

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