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Try this.  I just got a new block from ARIN and I went around and updated a
bunch of places.  I've checked Hulu and Netflix and they're working just
fine.  A bunch of them have my coordinates right down to the street level!

Josh Luthman
Office: 937-552-2340
Direct: 937-552-2343
1100 Wayne St
Suite 1337
Troy, OH 45373

On Thu, May 28, 2015 at 7:14 PM, TJ Trout <[email protected]> wrote:

> [email protected]?  Peeringdb? Nanog?
> On May 28, 2015 3:58 PM, "Sterling Jacobson" <[email protected]> wrote:
>
>> I can't remember if I posted this here, but about a month ago Vudu, Hulu,
>> ABC and Disney streaming all stopped at the same time for all customers on
>> my network.
>>
>> After contacting all of the various customer support departments I found
>> out they had to whitelist all of my IP blocks because they thought they
>> were "Out of Country" or VPN/Proxy.
>>
>> Hulu support was the fastest. They had it all cleared and customers
>> access restored in a day.
>>
>> Disney and ABC apparently use the same go.com infrastructure and took a
>> few weeks to finally convince someone there to fix it.
>> But they did for all our blocks and now we have no problems with them.
>>
>> Vudu on the other hand are being obstinate with me and my customers.
>> On the phone the nice rep agreed that we need to be white listed, but
>> couldn't seem to get a hold of anyone high enough in engineering to fix it.
>>
>> The email support thread (below in reverse, top most recent ordering)
>> shows a long back and forth, then nothing.
>>
>> What can I do here?
>>
>> I'm thinking there may be some way to publically shame them into fixing
>> it?
>>
>> Like John Oliver, lol!
>>
>>
>> Begin top recent thread with Vudu. Scroll down to bottom to read from the
>> beginning time wise.
>>
>>
>> Ok, so now you guys are flat out lying to our customers.
>>
>> We are not on a VPN and we are NOT on a proxy!
>>
>> These are directly assigned public IP's to customers homes that live in
>> Saratoga Springs, Utah on a fiber to the home connection.
>>
>> The IP blocks route through our provider, a Data center in Provo, Utah.
>>
>> The message sent to our customer Alex shown below is incorrect and
>> causing issues with our credibility.
>> We will record damages in any customer service issues dealing with this
>> and track everything you say for our legal team.
>>
>> Please resolve this today before we take this public and consult legal
>> action.
>>
>> Have a nice day!
>> Sterling
>>
>> Hi Alex,
>>
>> Thank you for contacting VUDU Customer Care. I apologize for any
>> inconveniences.
>>
>> Unfortunately, VUDU does not supports proxys or VPNs. We looked up the
>> IP, it's has a hosting proxy and you are using a VPN. This is out of our
>> engineering teams troubleshooting abilities. Please get in touch with your
>> ISP for further assistance.
>>
>> If you have any further questions or concerns please do not hesitate to
>> contact us again. Have a great day!
>> Customer Sterling Jacobson (10308805) via CSS Web 05/26/2015 08:11 PM
>> So, are you all ignoring the issue now?
>>
>> I'm instructing all of our customers on over 2000 IP's to go to the FCC
>> complain page and file against Vudu.com that they are intentionally
>> blocking everyone on our ISP.
>>
>> Customers of ours are all having Vudu.com issues and support isn't
>> helping them.
>> Instead they are blaming them for router/browser issues that have no
>> problems.
>>
>> Please take action.
>>
>> Unblock and white list our IP ranges 108.165.28.0/22 and 108.165.36.0/22
>>
>> You are losing customers.
>>
>> -Sterling
>> Customer Sterling Jacobson (10308805) via CSS Web 05/20/2015 05:27 PM
>> Still not fixed.
>>
>> For me, or any of my IP block customers.
>>
>> ABC.com and Disney just fixed theirs, so now we are working for all 2048
>> IP's on their networks. Hulu was fixed within an hour of when I notified
>> them.
>>
>> Why is Vudu incapable of the same thing?
>>
>> Is there anyone on your team able to whitelist this?
>>
>> -Sterling
>> Response Cody C via Email 05/19/2015 02:58 PM
>> Hello Sterling,
>>
>> I hope this email finds you well. Thank you for providing the needed
>> information. We will send this to our engineering to look into this. Thank
>> you, and have a great day!
>>
>> Best Regards,
>>
>> Cody C.
>> VUDU Customer Care
>> 7am-8pm PST
>> 1-888-554-VUDU (8838)
>> [email protected]
>> Customer Sterling Jacobson (10308805) via CSS Web 05/19/2015 02:55 PM
>> Uh, do you want this answered for myself (pointless IMO) or for everyone
>> (even more pointless)?
>>
>> I'll answer inline:
>>
>> Type of Computer (PC or Mac): ALL
>> What operation system? Every
>> What browser(s) are they using? ALL OF THEM
>> What version of that browser(s)?LOTS
>> Movie title: WHO KNOWS
>> Movie definition: HIGH
>> Speedtest.vudu.com results: Almost 40Mbps both ways (you seem to be
>> capped at 40Mbps since this is a fiber 1000Mbps line).
>> How is that computer connected to the network (Wired or Wireless): Wired
>> If wireless, how far is the router, are there any walls ceilings between?
>> N/A
>> The make and model of the modem: LOTS
>> The make and model of the router: MANY
>> location: Saratoga Springs, Utah, USA
>> Who is the ISP?
>>
>> Avative Fiber
>> avative.net
>> Over 2000 IP's in Saratoga Springs, Utah, lots of unhappy customers.
>> Still unhappy since it's been over a week of issues with Vudu.
>>
>> Please help! This is not a client end problem. Cross all that off your
>> list.
>> Get to the point and white list our IP blocks.
>> Pending failure to do that at the VERY least clear my own two IP's so I
>> know you are capable of just that for our customers individually.
>> 108.165.31.3 and 108.165.31.5. Blocks are 108.165.28.0/22 and
>> 108.165.36.0/22
>> Response Cody C via Email 05/19/2015 10:26 AM
>> Hello Sterling,
>>
>> I hope this email finds you well. If could also please provide us with
>> the following:
>> Type of Computer (PC or Mac):
>> What operation system?
>> What browser(s) are they using?
>> What version of that browser(s)?
>> Movie title:
>> Movie definition:
>> Speedtest.vudu.com results:
>> How is that computer connected to the network (Wired or Wireless):
>> If wireless, how far is the router, are there any walls ceilings between?
>> The make and model of the modem:
>> The make and model of the router:
>> location:
>> Who is the ISP?
>> Thank you, and have a great day!
>>
>> Best Regards,
>>
>> Cody C.
>> VUDU Customer Care
>> 7am-8pm PST
>> 1-888-554-VUDU (8838)
>> [email protected]
>> Response Kathryn C via Email 05/19/2015 10:21 AM
>> Hello,
>>
>> I hope this email finds you well.
>>
>> Thank you for providing us with the requested information. I have
>> escalated your case up to our engineering team for further review. Thank
>> you for your patience and cooperation in this matter.
>> We look forward to getting this issue resolved.
>>
>> Best Regards,
>>
>> Kathryn Cheatwood
>> VUDU Customer Care
>> 1-888-554-VUDU (8838)
>> [email protected]
>> OPEN 7:00 AM to 8:00 PM PST
>> Customer Sterling Jacobson (10308805) via CSS Web 05/19/2015 09:14 AM
>> Hey, any updates?? Still not fixed for me, let alone my 2048 IP's on my
>> customer network.
>>
>> Do you really expect every customer of mine using Vudu to perform four
>> trace routes and send them to you individually?
>>
>> -Sterling
>> Customer Sterling Jacobson (10308805) via CSS Web 05/18/2015 11:13 AM
>> Ok. If you could really, really please fix this for all of my subnets I
>> would appreciate it.
>> They are all going to have the same tracert as my home account except for
>> the first IP line.
>> They all route the exact same.
>>
>> Here is my tracert:
>>
>> C:\Users\Sterling>tracert llgvault.vudu.com
>>
>> Tracing route to vudu.re.llnwd.net [68.142.93.133]
>> over a maximum of 30 hops:
>>
>> 1 <1 ms <1 ms <1 ms 108-165-31-1.avative.net [108.165.31.1]
>> 2 1 ms <1 ms <1 ms 69-27-173-89.acedc.net [69.27.173.89]
>> 3 2 ms 2 ms 2 ms be4012.ccr21.slc01.atlas.cogentco.com [38.104.17
>> 4.197]
>> 4 18 ms 18 ms 18 ms be2087.ccr22.sfo01.atlas.cogentco.com [154.54.5.
>> 101]
>> 5 19 ms 19 ms 19 ms be2165.ccr22.sjc01.atlas.cogentco.com [154.54.28
>> .66]
>> 6 19 ms 19 ms 20 ms be2047.ccr21.sjc03.atlas.cogentco.com [154.54.5.
>> 114]
>> 7 26 ms 32 ms 22 ms 38.104.138.74
>> 8 50 ms 43 ms 33 ms tge2-7.fr3.sea2.llnw.net [69.28.171.146]
>> 9 34 ms 34 ms 41 ms cdn-68-142-93-133.sea2.llnw.net [68.142.93.133]
>>
>>
>> Trace complete.
>>
>> C:\Users\Sterling>tracert lldvault.vudu.com
>>
>> Tracing route to vudu-rd.vo.llnwd.net [68.142.93.254]
>> over a maximum of 30 hops:
>>
>> 1 <1 ms <1 ms <1 ms 108-165-31-1.avative.net [108.165.31.1]
>> 2 4 ms <1 ms <1 ms 69-27-173-89.acedc.net [69.27.173.89]
>> 3 2 ms 2 ms 2 ms be4012.ccr21.slc01.atlas.cogentco.com [38.104.17
>> 4.197]
>> 4 18 ms 18 ms 18 ms be2086.ccr21.sfo01.atlas.cogentco.com [154.54.3.
>> 185]
>> 5 19 ms 19 ms 19 ms be2164.ccr21.sjc01.atlas.cogentco.com [154.54.28
>> .34]
>> 6 20 ms 20 ms 19 ms be2000.ccr21.sjc03.atlas.cogentco.com [154.54.6.
>> 106]
>> 7 22 ms 22 ms 26 ms 38.104.139.162
>> 8 26 ms 23 ms 23 ms ve5.fr3.sjc.llnw.net [69.28.171.209]
>> 9 33 ms 33 ms 36 ms tge2-7.fr3.sea2.llnw.net [69.28.171.146]
>> 10 43 ms 41 ms 33 ms cdn-68-142-93-254.sea2.llnw.net [68.142.93.254]
>>
>>
>> Trace complete.
>>
>> C:\Users\Sterling>tracert llpvault.vudu.com
>>
>> Tracing route to vudu-p.vo.llnwd.net [68.142.93.133]
>> over a maximum of 30 hops:
>>
>> 1 <1 ms <1 ms <1 ms 108-165-31-1.avative.net [108.165.31.1]
>> 2 1 ms 13 ms <1 ms 69-27-173-89.acedc.net [69.27.173.89]
>> 3 2 ms 2 ms 2 ms be4012.ccr21.slc01.atlas.cogentco.com [38.104.17
>> 4.197]
>> 4 18 ms 18 ms 18 ms be2087.ccr22.sfo01.atlas.cogentco.com [154.54.5.
>> 101]
>> 5 19 ms 19 ms 19 ms be2165.ccr22.sjc01.atlas.cogentco.com [154.54.28
>> .66]
>> 6 20 ms 19 ms 20 ms be2047.ccr21.sjc03.atlas.cogentco.com [154.54.5.
>> 114]
>> 7 31 ms 23 ms 24 ms 38.104.138.74
>> 8 40 ms 33 ms 38 ms tge2-7.fr3.sea2.llnw.net [69.28.171.146]
>> 9 34 ms 34 ms 33 ms cdn-68-142-93-133.sea2.llnw.net [68.142.93.133]
>>
>>
>> Trace complete.
>>
>> C:\Users\Sterling>tracert startup.vvond.net
>>
>> Tracing route to startup.vvond.net [208.79.221.221]
>> over a maximum of 30 hops:
>>
>> 1 <1 ms <1 ms <1 ms 108-165-31-1.avative.net [108.165.31.1]
>> 2 1 ms 13 ms <1 ms 69-27-173-89.acedc.net [69.27.173.89]
>> 3 2 ms 3 ms 2 ms be4012.ccr21.slc01.atlas.cogentco.com [38.104.17
>> 4.197]
>> 4 18 ms 18 ms 18 ms be2086.ccr21.sfo01.atlas.cogentco.com [154.54.3.
>> 185]
>> 5 19 ms 19 ms 19 ms be2164.ccr21.sjc01.atlas.cogentco.com [154.54.28
>> .34]
>> 6 20 ms 19 ms 19 ms be2000.ccr21.sjc03.atlas.cogentco.com [154.54.6.
>> 106]
>> 7 19 ms 19 ms 19 ms zayo.sjc03.atlas.cogentco.com [154.54.10.194]
>> 8 20 ms 42 ms 20 ms ae10.cr2.sjc2.us.zip.zayo.com [64.125.31.73]
>> 9 20 ms 20 ms 20 ms ae3.er2.sjc2.us.zip.zayo.com [64.125.28.57]
>> 10 23 ms 22 ms 22 ms ae0.er1.sjc2.us.zip.zayo.com [64.125.25.105]
>> 11 25 ms 25 ms 25 ms te2-4.cr1.mlp1.peakwebhosting.com [64.124.200.82
>> ]
>> 12 25 ms 25 ms 25 ms 67.221.32.165
>> 13 25 ms 25 ms 25 ms 208.79.221.221
>>
>> Trace complete.
>>
>> C:\Users\Sterling>
>> Response Kevin W via Email 05/17/2015 01:07 PM
>> Hello Sterling.
>>
>> I hope this email finds you well.
>> To better assist you, we will need to collect a trace route, which will
>> show us a more detailed view of your connection to our servers:
>> Windows XP
>> Open Start > Run > Type "cmd" and hit "enter"
>> When the command prompt loads type in the following commands:
>> tracert llgvault.vudu.com
>> tracert lldvault.vudu.com
>> tracert llpvault.vudu.com
>> tracert startup.vvond.net
>> Windows  Vista/7/8
>> Type "cmd" under the search box on the Start menu
>> When the command prompt loads type in the following commands:
>> tracert llgvault.vudu.com
>> tracert lldvault.vudu.com
>> tracert llpvault.vudu.com
>> tracert startup.vvond.net
>> Mac OSX
>> Application Folder > Utilities > Terminal
>> Open the terminal and type the following commands:
>> traceroute llgvault.vudu.com
>> traceroute lldvault.vudu.com
>> traceroute llpvault.vudu.com
>> traceroute startup.vvond.net
>> This will display a screen full of information showing every router the
>> connection passes through to get to its destination and the amount of time
>> it takes to get to each location (this will help our engineers determine
>> any routing issues). To copy this, right click the screen and choose
>> '"Select All'" (or Cntrl+A).  Hold Ctrl + C or the hit the "Enter" button,
>> this will copy this information the white highlighted box will disappear
>> when you do this.
>> Please reply to this email with the resulting information so we may
>> investigate your issue further.
>> Best regards,
>>
>> Kevin W
>> VUDU Customer Care
>> 1-888-554-VUDU (8838)
>> [email protected]
>> OPEN 7:00 AM to 8:00 PM PST
>> Customer Sterling Jacobson (10308805) via CSS Web 05/16/2015 10:35 PM
>> That is total crap. You guys are losing customers and so am I.
>>
>> What does that look like for both of us if I have to send around an email
>> to thousands of customers telling them to go to your support page?
>>
>> Prove to me that it even works.
>>
>> I am on IP 108.165.31.3 and 108.165.31.5.
>>
>> Please fix it for my personal network and let me see if we can even get
>> to step one.
>>
>> Thanks!
>> Sterling
>> Response ruribe via Email 05/16/2015 01:26 PM
>> Hello Sterling,
>> Thank you for contacting Vudu Customer Support.
>> Again as stated from the previous agent. We will need to have each VUDU
>> user contact us at the number below to assist them further. We do highly
>> apologize for this inconvenience. Have a great day.
>>
>> Best Regards,
>>
>> Ruben Uribe
>> VUDU Tier II Network Technician
>> Open: 7 days a Week, 7AM-8PM PST
>> 1-888-554-VUDU (8838)
>> [email protected]
>> Customer Sterling Jacobson (10308805) via CSS Web 05/16/2015 11:10 AM
>> No, no proxy or VPN, these /22 blocks are routed directly in Saratoga
>> Springs Utah at a few different sites in the city.
>> The public static IP addresses are directly allocated to customer routers.
>>
>> I can give you exact GPS coordinates in a KMZ file if that helps.
>>
>> I really need someone on your team to step up for my 2048 IP's and get
>> this whitelisted ASAP.
>>
>> I'm losing customers, and so are you, because of this Out of Country
>> problem.
>>
>> This is not our problem, we've been running for a couple of years just
>> fine until recently.
>>
>> Someone, somewhere, got our entire IP space on a list which is WRONG.
>>
>> Please, please do something about this.
>>
>> Customers are filing FCC complaints now against Vudu regarding this.
>>
>> Thanks!
>> Sterling
>> Response Kevin W via Email 05/15/2015 07:24 PM
>> Hello Sterling.
>>
>> I hope this email finds you well.
>> Thank you for contacting VUDU customer care. To assist you better are you
>> using a VPN or proxy server? If so we do not support either of these on our
>> service. If not we will need to have each VUDU user contact us at the
>> number below to assist further. I do apologize for the inconvenience and we
>> look forward to hearing from you.
>> Thank you.
>> Best regards,
>>
>> Kevin Wolfe
>> VUDU Customer Care
>> 1-888-554-VUDU (8838)
>> [email protected]
>> OPEN 7:00 AM to 8:00 PM PST
>> Customer Sterling Jacobson (10308805) via CSS Web 05/15/2015 04:09 PM
>> None of this helps.
>>
>> For these 2048 IP Addresses in our ARIN assigned/SWIPed block we still
>> cannot use Vudu.
>>
>> Lots of unhappy customers for us.
>>
>> It is also disney and abc using the Amazon AWS go.com services.
>>
>> It appears Vudu may also use AWS services/CDN.
>>
>> So I suspect there is a master blacklist involved at Amazon that my IPv4
>> blocks are on for some reason.
>>
>> I need someone competent on your team at Vudu to figure out how to
>> whitelist our IP ranges ASAP.
>>
>> Is that possible?
>>
>> Thanks a ton!
>> -Sterling Jacobson
>> Manager, Avative Fiber
>> Avative.net
>> Response David S via Email 05/15/2015 09:07 AM
>> Hello Sterling,
>> I hope this e-mail finds you well.
>> There are a couple different possible causes for receiving error #5000. I
>> will provide some further information and troubleshooting below.
>> 1. Go to http://adobe.com/go/settmgr_storage_en
>> a. In the Website Storage Setting Panel Click the "Delete all sites"
>> b. In the Protected Content Playback Settings panel Click the "Reset
>> License Files"
>> 2. Uninstall the current version of Adobe Flash Player from your computer
>> If you have a mac:
>> http://helpx.adobe.com/flash-player/kb/uninstall-flash-player-mac-os.html
>> 3. Install Adobe Air - http://get.adobe.com/air/
>> 4. Re-install Adobe Flash Player - http://get.adobe.com/flashplayer
>> 5. Reboot the PC after these installs and try to stream the video again.
>> Sometimes switching your web browser will solve this issue. I would
>> suggest using Google Chrome as it automatically updates your Flash player.
>> With some computers, Mozilla Firefox is your best option. We do not suggest
>> Internet Explorer for our web site. If you are already using Google Chrome,
>> try uninstalling it and reinstalling it as an update may not have updated
>> correctly and could also be causing the issue.
>> Other possible causes are as listed below;
>> -User may be outside of the United States
>> -User may be on a public network (Example: Hotel, School, Dorm, Work)
>> -User may need to update flash www.adobe.com/downloads
>> -Try another browser - or update the current browser.
>> -User may be running into a Firewall issue on their home network.
>> If any of these apply to you at this time as far as being out of the
>> country or using a public network, then that would be the cause of the
>> error.
>> If the issue persists, then it may be a possible firewall issue. Please
>> contact us at our number below and one of our technicians will be happy to
>> assist you.
>> Best regards,
>>
>> David S.
>> VUDU Customer Care
>> 7am-8pm PST
>> 1-888-554-VUDU (8838)
>> [email protected]
>> Customer Sterling Jacobson (10308805) via CSS Web 05/14/2015 07:44 PM
>> Actually it's multiple users on an ISP that I own, Avative Fiber.
>>
>> Can you please white list the following IP Ranges?
>>
>> Avative Fiber (ARIN AL-464), we need all of our IP's on the following
>> blocks white listed asap.
>> 108.165.36.0/22
>> 108.165.28.0/22
>> It's either handle this one request or thousands of our fiber optic
>> customers and business lines start this same exact request process.
>> Let me know if there is something else we can do, or when it will be
>> resolved.
>> We've already resolved the issue with Hulu.
>> Thanks!
>>
>> Sterling Jacobson
>> Manager
>> Avative Fiber
>> Response Kevin W via Email 05/14/2015 05:29 PM
>> Hello Sterling.
>>
>> I hope this email finds you well.
>> There are a couple different possible causes for receiving error #5000. I
>> will provide some further information and troubleshooting below.
>> The first step that you can try to resolve this issue, would be to go to:
>> 1. http://adobe.com/go/settmgr_storage_en
>> a. In the Website Storage Setting Panel Click the "Delete all sites"
>> b. In the Protected Content Playback Settings panel Click the "Reset
>> License Files"
>> 2. Uninstall the current version of Adobe Flash Player from your computer
>> If you have a mac:
>> http://helpx.adobe.com/flash-player/kb/uninstall-flash-player-mac-os.html
>> 3. Install Adobe Air - http://get.adobe.com/air/
>>
>> 4. Re-install Adobe Flash Player - http://get.adobe.com/flashplayer
>> 5. Reboot the PC after these installs and try to stream the video again.
>> We also recommend switching your web browser to resolve the issue if it
>> persists. I would suggest using Google Chrome as it automatically updates
>> your Flash player. With some computers, Mozilla Firefox is your best
>> option. If you are already using Google Chrome, try uninstalling it and
>> reinstalling it, as an update may not have updated correctly and could also
>> be causing the issue.
>> If the issue persists, then it may be a possible firewall issue. Please
>> contact us at our number below and one of our technicians will be happy to
>> assist you.
>> Best regards,
>>
>> Kevin Wolfe
>> VUDU Customer Care
>> 1-888-554-VUDU (8838)
>> [email protected]
>> OPEN 7:00 AM to 8:00 PM PST
>> Customer Sterling Jacobson (10308805) via CSS Web 05/14/2015 03:56 PM
>> Can't watch my Vudu movies on my computer due to some vague error #5000.
>>
>> Can you explain?
>>
>> Thanks!
>> Sterling
>>
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