Yeah, we look as caching as a service available through member companies. If you want to buy a caching service then the exchange is the best place to buy it due to the low latency of an exchange. If it’s cached *and* a cross connect away it’s gonna be pretty darn fast comparatively speaking.
Justin Justin Wilson [email protected] http://www.mtin.net <http://www.mtin.net/> Managed Services – xISP Solutions – Data Centers http://www.thebrotherswisp.com <http://www.thebrotherswisp.com/> Podcast about xISP topics http://www.midwest-ix.com <http://www.midwest-ix.com/> Peering – Transit – Internet Exchange > On Jun 1, 2015, at 2:11 PM, Paul Stewart <[email protected]> wrote: > > Ok ok… so they are “just peers” on the exchange like anyone else? > > Thanks, > Paul > > > From: Af [mailto:[email protected] <mailto:[email protected]>] On > Behalf Of Mike Hammett > Sent: Monday, June 1, 2015 1:26 PM > To: [email protected] <mailto:[email protected]> > Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Caching Boxes > > I am not the one providing that service, they are. They are the ones > facilitating their equipment. I just support them where asked by them. > > > > ----- > Mike Hammett > Intelligent Computing Solutions > http://www.ics-il.com <http://www.ics-il.com/> > > <https://www.facebook.com/ICSIL> > <https://plus.google.com/+IntelligentComputingSolutionsDeKalb> > <https://www.linkedin.com/company/intelligent-computing-solutions> > <https://twitter.com/ICSIL> > > Midwest Internet Exchange > http://www.midwest-ix.com <http://www.midwest-ix.com/> > > <https://www.facebook.com/mdwestix> > <https://www.linkedin.com/company/midwest-internet-exchange> > <https://twitter.com/mdwestix> > From: "Paul Stewart" <[email protected] <mailto:[email protected]>> > To: [email protected] <mailto:[email protected]> > Sent: Monday, June 1, 2015 12:07:41 PM > Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Caching Boxes > > Purely a personal opinion … one based on working with an IX for about 5 > years, working with many ISP etc… IX’s should *not* be in the business of > providing caching content to their “customers” – you are in some regards > competing with your own peers (especially if they sell transit services). > > From: Af [mailto:[email protected] <mailto:[email protected]>] On > Behalf Of Mike Hammett > Sent: Monday, June 1, 2015 11:33 AM > To: [email protected] <mailto:[email protected]> > Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Caching Boxes > > It does help to an extent. You didn't know my intentions, but few people > would have experience with my position anyway. > > I was inquiring as an IX, not as a WISP. Different companies have different > models and so we're trying to gauge infrastructure requirements. For > instance, we're already in contract with Akamai for some boxes. They send out > a few boxes and gradually increase that count until they switch to a > different model. Limelight only does "superPOPs", so they'll only utilize > transport from their remote facility. Netflix has caching boxes available for > people, so it's assumed that they would do something similar. Google does > have caching boxes, but was asking about wavelength providers in the facility. > > Those that provide boxes still need Internet connectivity to pull whatever > isn't on the box. They work with the IX to get that. Knowing how the > different caching mechanisms work provides background as to the scale of > support infrastructure they need. Of course they'll tell you when they sign > what they require, but knowing ahead of time is nice. We offered some of them > transport, but due to their infrastructure, they preferred transit over > transport. Just looking to be as helpful as we can and make it as cost > effective as we can for everybody. > > We are up to about 2.3M IPs either advertised today or are in process of > getting hooked up on our Indy IX and looking to branch out soon. > > > > ----- > Mike Hammett > Intelligent Computing Solutions > http://www.ics-il.com <http://www.ics-il.com/> > > <https://www.facebook.com/ICSIL> > <https://plus.google.com/+IntelligentComputingSolutionsDeKalb> > <https://www.linkedin.com/company/intelligent-computing-solutions> > <https://twitter.com/ICSIL> > > Midwest Internet Exchange > http://www.midwest-ix.com <http://www.midwest-ix.com/> > > <https://www.facebook.com/mdwestix> > <https://www.linkedin.com/company/midwest-internet-exchange> > <https://twitter.com/mdwestix> > > From: "Paul Stewart" <[email protected] <mailto:[email protected]>> > To: [email protected] <mailto:[email protected]> > Sent: Monday, June 1, 2015 10:19:14 AM > Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Caching Boxes > > So I’ll try to answer this for you … have all of them… > > Percent of bandwidth saved… really depends on your network, traffic levels, > subscriber breakdown (residential vs business), connectivity etc… there’s no > magic answer but if you had all three systems you listed then it should hit a > minimum of 50%. > > Upstream amount used is less than you used before J Akamai and Google both > “fill on demand” so they are generally speaking very linear in upstream vs > content served out of them – over time that difference is quite noticeable. > Netflix uses a “prefill” mechanism which is typically 1.5Gb/s for 8-10 hours > per day off hours so if you’re not serving at least 2-3Gb/s of Netflix > traffic it’s not remotely worthwhile. Also consider the space/power that > some of these servers require – it can add up in a hurry. > > Generally speaking I wouldn’t deploy any of their solutions until you have > 1Gb/s on Akamai minimum, 3 Gb/s minimum on Google/Youtube, and 5 Gb/s minimum > on Netflix… assuming you have lots of space/power. These are just rough > guidelines – everyone’s situation is different. > > Netflix servers are the heaviest density servers and depending on traffic > levels then Akamai is next in density but you will only see those boxes for > Akamai in very high traffic environments – their “stock” servers I think do > about 700-800Mb/s per physical server (usually a cluster of 3 to start), > while their more dense servers do 10Gb/s+ per box. Google servers typically > go up to a max of 3.1-3.2 Gb/s per server (usually a cluster of 3 to start as > well). Netflix servers (latest generation “C”) have 2x10G interfaces and can > serve up to around 15Gb/s each – they usually will start you with 2 of these > servers but not always. > > The ASN that fills the caches varies all over the place and is totally > dependent on your network and upstreams. Peering links with these providers > are heavily used when possible. > > Let me know if this helps… > > Paul > > > From: Af [mailto:[email protected] <mailto:[email protected]>] On > Behalf Of Mike Hammett > Sent: Sunday, May 31, 2015 10:10 AM > To: Animal Farm > Subject: [AFMUG] Caching Boxes > > For those of you with caching boxes from Akamai, Gogole, NetFlix, etc. could > you let me know: > > Percent of bandwidth saved (IE, 10 gigs of downstream traffic and 1 gig of > upstream traffic would be 90% saved) > Upstream amount used > ASN the upstream comes from > Traceroute to the upstream (to see where it actually comes from) > > On or off list for any of the information above is fine. > > > > ----- > Mike Hammett > Intelligent Computing Solutions > http://www.ics-il.com <http://www.ics-il.com/>
