You are preaching to the choir.  I’ve been arguing that when the government 
comes in, it distorts markets.  If it wasn’t for government, CenturyLink 
wouldn’t have become the behemoth it is today.

Rory

From: Af [mailto:[email protected]] On Behalf Of Lewis Bergman
Sent: Thursday, October 1, 2015 3:24 AM
To: [email protected]
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Any of you guys service this guy in the news?


My opinion represents only me and not WISPA out any other member.

Yea it matters. I must say, for the record Google included. This guy represents 
a great deal of the problem today. He thinks he is owed broadband from his 
chosen provider at the speed he wants for a price he thinks is reasonable. If 
he doesn't get it he wants to force he tries to shame, or force the company to 
provide it. Fascist pig.

Add to that a socialist leaning municipality to guarantee that true private 
money is less likely to be spent due to tax subsidized competition just because 
some city council likes playing with other people's money and thinks that ROI 
for a private firm is a stupid concept.



On Wed, Sep 30, 2015, 10:21 PM Ken Hohhof 
<[email protected]<mailto:[email protected]>> wrote:

In case it matters, remember the archives of this list are public and 
searchable on Google.



From: Jon Auer<mailto:[email protected]>

Sent: Wednesday, September 30, 2015 10:00 PM

To: Animal Farm<mailto:[email protected]>

Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Any of you guys service this guy in the news?

And here I thought my ears were burning from the fall breeze (just got back 
from turning up a 11Ghz link as part of our network upgrades heading towards 
that area...).



We have ePMP, PMP450, and AirMax ac (variously) to the north and east of Sun 
Prairie (within 20 minutes drive), and PTP stuff in Madison proper (to the 
southwest).

South of there is still largely PMP100 that we're working towards replacing but 
there's little point in upgrading access without upgrading backhaul so that's 
moving a bit like a freight train. Slow to get rolling but when it arrives it 
comes with a ton of coal, I mean bandwidth...



Now, standard (but useless) disclaimer for the following political thoughts 
when a random reporter finds this in google: I'm talking as random tech person 
and not on behalf of any company I may or may not be associated with.



Sun Prairie has had muni acting as ISP for a long time, 10+ years. Initially 
with fixed wireless and then transitioned into fiber. As usual they are 
cherrypicking the high ARPU customers (businesses & MDUs) and leaving the 
normal people behind (I see this around with ARRA/etc projects).: 
http://<http://www.sunprairieutilities.com/fiberCMSpage.cfm?cms=87&redflag=0>www.sunprairieutilities.com<http://www.sunprairieutilities.com/fiberCMSpage.cfm?cms=87&redflag=0>/<http://www.sunprairieutilities.com/fiberCMSpage.cfm?cms=87&redflag=0>fiberCMSpage.cfm<http://www.sunprairieutilities.com/fiberCMSpage.cfm?cms=87&redflag=0>?<http://www.sunprairieutilities.com/fiberCMSpage.cfm?cms=87&redflag=0>cms<http://www.sunprairieutilities.com/fiberCMSpage.cfm?cms=87&redflag=0>=87&<http://www.sunprairieutilities.com/fiberCMSpage.cfm?cms=87&redflag=0>redflag<http://www.sunprairieutilities.com/fiberCMSpage.cfm?cms=87&redflag=0>=0<http://www.sunprairieutilities.com/fiberCMSpage.cfm?cms=87&redflag=0>

There's a similar problem/situation in Madison with MUFN fiber. There just 
seems to be too much drama around towns where muni department people have 
ambitions of ISPhood.



So, I don't see us building out that way ever. I mean, if this dude poppped a 
160' 45G or SSV tower in his back yard, got all the zoning approvals, and 
served up a long term lease on a silver platter, then sure, in a heartbeat. 
PMP450 fed by 11Ghz from our fiber POP @222 in Madison coming right up. 
Otherwise, the risk/reward doesn't make sense.

On Wed, Sep 30, 2015 at 7:03 PM, Josh Luthman 
<josh@<mailto:[email protected]>imaginenetworksllc.com<mailto:[email protected]>>
 wrote:

Jon Auer is Netwurx last I heard

Josh Luthman
Office: 937-552-2340<tel:937-552-2340>
Direct: 937-552-2343<tel:937-552-2343>
1100 Wayne St
Suite 1337
Troy, OH 45373



On Sep 30, 2015 8:00 PM, "Mathew Howard" 
<[email protected]<mailto:[email protected]>> wrote:



Nope, I'm not from Netwurx, but they are around there too... I'm not sure if 
they get closer to Sun Prairie than we do or not.



That's not a connection I'd want to put in if it was in the least bit 
questionable though, seeing as he calls 3/1Mbps unusable...



On Wed, Sep 30, 2015 at 6:56 PM, Rick Harnish 
<[email protected]<mailto:[email protected]>> wrote:



I contacted Peter Maher at Netwurx about the article.  They are close.  Maybe 
that is who Matthew Howard works for.

http://<http://www.netwurx.net/wireless-high-speed>www.netwurx.net<http://www.netwurx.net/wireless-high-speed>/<http://www.netwurx.net/wireless-high-speed>wireless-high-speed<http://www.netwurx.net/wireless-high-speed>

I also wrote an email to Jessica Michael at Farm Futures about her lack of 
knowledge about the Wisp industry yesterday.  I haven't heard back from her yet.

http://<http://farmfutures.com/blogs-rural-internet-options-smart-office-10241>farmfutures.com<http://farmfutures.com/blogs-rural-internet-options-smart-office-10241>/<http://farmfutures.com/blogs-rural-internet-options-smart-office-10241>blogs-<http://farmfutures.com/blogs-rural-internet-options-smart-office-10241>rural-internet-options-smart-office-10241<http://farmfutures.com/blogs-rural-internet-options-smart-office-10241>

Respectfully,

Rick Harnish
Broadband Consultant & Industry Analyst
260-307-4000<tel:260-307-4000> cell
Skype: rick.harnish.​
Twitter: @rharnish

> -----Original Message-----
> From: Af [mailto:[email protected]<mailto:[email protected]>] On Behalf 
> Of Steve
> Sent: Wednesday, September 30, 2015 7:43 PM
> To: [email protected]<mailto:[email protected]>
> Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Any of you guys service this guy in the news?
>
> Contact Ars... have them update the site saying that Wireless can solve a lot
> of these problems for a fraction of the price.   It'll be a good piece they 
> can do
> on the wireless industry.  Find the name of the guy who wrote the article.
> ahhh his email is  
> [email protected]<mailto:[email protected]>
>
>
>
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: "Mathew Howard" <[email protected]<mailto:[email protected]>>
> To: "af" <[email protected]<mailto:[email protected]>>
> Sent: Wednesday, September 30, 2015 7:28:01 PM
> Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Any of you guys service this guy in the news?
>

> I'll just skimmed through the article... We might be able to get there, I'll 
> see if
> I can figure out where exactly it is.
>
> On Wed, Sep 30, 2015 at 5:10 PM, Steve 
> <[email protected]<mailto:[email protected]>> wrote:
>
> > Would be a good followup Ars story if someone with a 450 was able to
> > hit this guy up with faster than DSL speeds!  Good PR for the WISP industry.
> >
> >
> > http://<http://arstechnica.com/business/2015/09/man-builds-house-then-finds->arstechnica.com<http://arstechnica.com/business/2015/09/man-builds-house-then-finds->/business/2015/09/<http://arstechnica.com/business/2015/09/man-builds-house-then-finds->man-builds-house-then-finds-<http://arstechnica.com/business/2015/09/man-builds-house-then-finds->
> ou
> > t-cable-internet-will-cost-117000/
> >
> >


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