So what changed from the 1860's to today when in 1860 pretty much everyone had a gun and shootings were fairly common (per hollywood at least...)
----- Original Message ----- From: Lewis Bergman To: [email protected] Sent: Saturday, October 10, 2015 9:54 AM Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Spam:*****, Re: OT Campus Shootings The second amendment has been poorly interpreted. If the founders were writing the constitution today everyone would have the right to own an M1 Abrams tank and an F22. In my opinion it is about assuring your right to freedom from tyranny by the government, crazies, or generally powerful. I would think Europeans would understand that better than anyone. In the end I think it is part of the American culture. A great many of us believe that the individual is a better trustee of your future and safety than the government. You are responsible for yourself, your success, your failure, your safety. If you want to wait until some trained officer shows up to your aid you are free to do so. On the other hand, if you believe you are capable of taking care of yourself, then go ahead. A weapon is an equalizer. It makes a 90 pound woman equal to or better than a 300 pound steroid maniac. Firearms are dangerous. You can kill yourself or others. So are cars, planes, etc. Yes guns are designed to kill. So what. My bottom line is if one person on this planet has something they can kill me with, I believe I have a right to something of equal or greater lethality to defend myself. Not the government owning something to attempt to defend me when they have the budget to do so, feel like it, aren't involved in some ceremony, busy defending someone else, out standing in a line while a group of Jackasses burn me and my house or business down. There are numerous examples of why guns shouldn't be allowed in anyone's hands. There are plenty of examples of how a single private citizen has prevented harm with a gun. My bottom line is- if any person or organization has the right to use a gun then so should I. On Sat, Oct 10, 2015, 7:38 AM Tyson Burris @ Internet Communications Inc <[email protected]> wrote: I was raised around the farm and guns. I was taught how to use them properly. In school, we actually had a class on gun safety and usage. (not required) People are the problem and always will be. We try to be our own ‘gods’ but that will never work. As Gino pointed out, human beings need to be controlled. Laws are only rules or guidelines. A person with underlying issues to begin with will not obey laws. Even if this country had no access to guns, someone with a desire to cause harm will find a way. Drugs are illegal… how is that working out? Some of you may watch the documentary ‘drugs inc’. Chicago is a waste land of gun violence right now. (mainly drug related) A recent interview on the show struck me as one our biggest problems. Two young kids dealing on the streets admitted they grew up without a ‘good’ parents. People on the streets are their family and taught them how to survive. I won’t even get into the argument here, but family values have been turned upside down for years and the trend is up. These two drug dealers statement echos the real issue here IMHO. (many will disagree) Parenting is the #1 frontline defense against so many problems. If you parent good, and are fully involved with your kids’ lives a positive outcome should result. The issue I see right now is bad parenting is growing exponentially. We are seeing an increase of bad parents raising kids with problems. Those kids grow up and do the same. They have kids and so forth. Some are lucky enough to break the trend but most don’t. To make matters worse, social media is a driving force behind so much opinion and ideas. We are all so connected now that a person with underlying desires to harm (not just gun related) can easily gain access to things he/she never had before. This drives the problem even further. Tyson Burris, President Internet Communications Inc. 739 Commerce Dr. Franklin, IN 46131 317-738-0320 Daytime # 317-412-1540 Cell/Direct # Online: www.surfici.net What can ICI do for you? Broadband Wireless - PtP/PtMP Solutions - WiMax - Mesh Wifi/Hotzones - IP Security - Fiber - Tower - Infrastructure. CONFIDENTIALITY NOTICE: This e-mail is intended for the addressee shown. It contains information that is confidential and protected from disclosure. Any review, dissemination or use of this transmission or its contents by unauthorized organizations or individuals is strictly prohibited. From: Af [mailto:[email protected]] On Behalf Of Gino Villarini Sent: Saturday, October 10, 2015 6:49 AM To: [email protected] Subject: Spam:*****, Re: [AFMUG] OT Campus Shootings Freedom is not the exercise to choose whatever you want. Heck then free all the child molesters! Human beings need to be controlled, that the whole reasoning behind laws. Im with Jaime and Stefan on this. On Sat, Oct 10, 2015 at 6:28 AM, Mike Hammett <[email protected]> wrote: There are many items that kill more humans than first world guns. ----- Mike Hammett Intelligent Computing Solutions http://www.ics-il.com -------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: "Stefan Englhardt" <[email protected]> To: [email protected] Sent: Friday, October 9, 2015 11:21:43 PM Subject: Re: [AFMUG] OT Campus Shootings Looking at this with a foreign view I can't understand this "gun love" in US. It is not all about the criminals or idiots. Just look at the statistics for accidents with weapons. The only way to save lifes is to be very restrictive. If someone wants to shoot he can go to a shooting club and leave the weapon there. It is not freedom to have a gun at home. It is silly esp. with kids around. You can't avoid killing with banning weapons but you can reduce it. If I need a weapon I call for police or security. No virus found in this message. 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